153 games on, was / is Rocket a better coach?

[Rod_]

I was in favour of Choose Roos! And I doubt that Rocket would have given us a grandfinal victory.... (never to be proven)

But who is the better coach?

Is the cupboard bare? (no more game plays up his sleeve)

Have we rebuilt whilst not being a top 4 team? We have again reached the finals again...? (and played really bad for 6-8 weeks)

What will next year deliver? Who will stay or go?

Roos can have another 5 years IMO (any coach that can break a 72 year hoo do has my vote) I might become a little desperate in 4/5 years...

Look forward to constructive comments

Rod_

(Roos for my vote)

[reigning premier]

Roos has repeatedley said he's not a life time coach... he has othe rthings to do... And fair enough.

But is he the better coach??? I'd be inclined to say yes. For the same reason Mathews is a better coach than Walls. He got a lot more out of the cattle he had than their predesscor did. Perhaps though, this is a direct result of change (In the same way Rocket got the Swans to a minor premiership and a GF in his first year).

But the moral of the story is, Both Rocket and Roos are pretty much done in their time at the Swans with not too much differnece in their coaching record.

[Robbo]

Roos delivered us a premiership. Case closed.

[BloodsInMyVeins]

Ron Barassi was Better than both sorry to say ,in my opinion.

I say if Barassi was given the 1 more year deal he wanted, Swannies would've won the 1996 Gran Final.

As far as im concerned Eade only got to the 96 Gran Final on the Back of Barassi hard work.

After all Barassi brought Swannies back from the Wooden Spoon Days.

I say bring back Barassi

[Matt79]

Roos delivered us a premiership. Case closed.

That sums it up for me too. Roos.

[ScottH]

BinmV is on the money.

Barassi dragged us from the cellar dwellers into a team competent of winning a game or 2.

Eade built on that instilled confidence, formed his own plan(flooding) around the group he had, and got us to the GF in his first year. Then as other teams worked out how to beat the flood, I think he struggled with that list of average footballers.

Roos then built on that again, and instilled more confidence, and his own personal style, (Tempo handsoff football). The game plan worked well and we have won many games under Roos as we all know, and whilst our skill level was up, and the team gelled we could beat most. The games has evolved again, and it is now faster than ever, and our team is slow, compared to many others. Our skill level seems to have dropped off recently as well. Plan A, is no longer working, and Plan B is, well, Plan B was Saturday Night.

I voted Roos.
2 GF's and a flag v 1 GF.

[NMWBloods]

Interestingly though, without that much-maligned player Roos delivers not much more than Eade did. Ironic really.

[Margie]

BinmV is on the money.

Barassi dragged us from the cellar dwellers into a team competent of winning a game or 2.

Eade built on that instilled confidence, formed his own plan(flooding) around the group he had, and got us to the GF in his first year. Then as other teams worked out how to beat the flood, I think he struggled with that list of average footballers.

Roos then built on that again, and instilled more confidence, and his own personal style, (Tempo handsoff football). The game plan worked well and we have won many games under Roos as we all know, and whilst our skill level was up, and the team gelled we could beat most. The games has evolved again, and it is now faster than ever, and our team is slow, compared to many others. Our skill level seems to have dropped off recently as well. Plan A, is no longer working, and Plan B is, well, Plan B was Saturday Night.

I voted Roos.
2 GF's and a flag v 1 GF.

Great summation.

Re Plan B, they did try it on Sat. night. The team has been unsettled and it's going to take a while for the new to gel with the old. Speed and skills need vast improvement.

Roos for me.

[ScottH]

Interestingly though, without that much-maligned player Roos delivers not much more than Eade did. Ironic really.

Well that player did deliver the end results, but it was a huge effort by some others to get the ball to him in the first place, so there are a few unsung heroes who can be attributed to that result as well.

[ernie koala]

Roos results speak for themselves. He has been a wonderful coach.....but....
He laid out his philosophy re : coaches are limited by time to their effectiveness at one club. By his own rules, it's time to move on. The thing I don't like is this so called succession plan. If Roos goes we should start afresh with new ideas from outside the existing structure...ie: no Horse doing same old same old.

[NMWBloods]

Well that player did deliver the end results, but it was a huge effort by some others to get the ball to him in the first place, so there are a few unsung heroes who can be attributed to that result as well.

Given the quality of our list I think it has been a superb effort by the players and coach in the past six years to have made finals and been one of the top teams through that period. However, it is undoubtedly the case that one of the key differences between Roos and Eade is the flag, as noted in this thread a few times, hence my comment.

[Lucky Knickers]

Roos

[ScottH]

Given the quality of our list I think it has been a superb effort by the players and coach in the past six years to have made finals and been one of the top teams through that period. However, it is undoubtedly the case that one of the key differences between Roos and Eade is the flag, as noted in this thread a few times, hence my comment.

Eade peaked too early, and struggled after the GF.
Roos peaked slowly, got the flag, and a 2nd GF, and then struggled.

Completely different styles of coaching, so it makes it hard to compare, but achieving the highest accolade in football has to count for something.
It is one thing to get to a GF. It is another thing to win one.

[BSA5]

Roos. He was a genius with the way he turned a slow, dour playing list into a Premiership winning one. The football equivalent of alchemy, really. Things aren't looking too good at the moment, but hell, even Sheedy, Matthews, Malthouse etc spent time at the bottom. A coach can't just simply tell a team to change the way they are playing on the spot, especially when they've been playing it for 5 years with tremendous success. It takes time to engineer a game plan. Maybe he'll do that. Maybe he'll give the job to Horse, or somebody else. Who knows? But what Roos has done with the Swans is highly commendable indeed.

[Go Swannies]

Roos built the team and self-belief and a game plan that led to a Premiership. With the strength of other teams at the time (Eagles, Crows) that was remarkable. And he didn't do just with the first flush of a new coach's first seasons - he built from there.

I'm not sure Eade has achieved much at all. At present the Doggies seem to be just about as much finals fodder as the Swans (or North last year) - it rather resembles his trajectory at the Swans - got great results (a GF appearance for us at least) then fell away.