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  • Legs Akimbo
    Grand Poobah
    • Apr 2005
    • 2809

    Originally posted by giant
    And when you see the state of the Balls, Del Santos etc of this world, amen to that.
    I guess we played DOK too early too.
    He had observed that people who did lie were, on the whole, more resourceful and ambitious and successful than people who did not lie.

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    • caj23
      Senior Player
      • Aug 2003
      • 2462

      and donkey doyle, heath james, ryan fitzgerald, wade chapman .....

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      • Legs Akimbo
        Grand Poobah
        • Apr 2005
        • 2809

        Originally posted by Will Sangster
        and donkey doyle, heath james, ryan fitzgerald, wade chapman .....
        And my god, look what happened to Tim Watson. Started as a 15 year old and was plagued by injury over his 307 game career. Chris Grant was another who suffered. His knee reconstruction in 2005 can be directly traced back to 1988 when he played his first game at age 17 years.

        Playing these young guys is just frought with danger!
        He had observed that people who did lie were, on the whole, more resourceful and ambitious and successful than people who did not lie.

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        • shaun..
          Stuck in Reserves
          • Jun 2007
          • 691

          Very disappointed we didn't draft Rhys O'Keefe and Nathan O'Keefe, and they were only a few draft picks away...
          "In some ways we?re less predictable to ourselves and sometimes that can be detrimental because we don?t really know where we?re going" - P.Roos

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          • 573v30
            On the bandwagon...
            • Sep 2005
            • 5017

            Originally posted by shaun..
            Very disappointed we didn't draft Rhys O'Keefe and Nathan O'Keefe, and they were only a few draft picks away...
            Well, Carlton did get a ROK after all...
            I only support one team: The SYDNEY SWANS!!!!! :adore

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            • SimonH
              Salt future's rising
              • Aug 2004
              • 1647

              Originally posted by Legs Akimbo
              And my god, look what happened to Tim Watson. Started as a 15 year old and was plagued by injury over his 307 game career. Chris Grant was another who suffered. His knee reconstruction in 2005 can be directly traced back to 1988 when he played his first game at age 17 years.

              Playing these young guys is just frought with danger!
              For every Watson and Grant, there are about 20 Doyles and Fitzgeralds. And have Watson and Grant been remembered principally for the incredible footy they played at 18yoa or younger?

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              • Legs Akimbo
                Grand Poobah
                • Apr 2005
                • 2809

                Originally posted by SimonH
                For every Watson and Grant, there are about 20 Doyles and Fitzgeralds. And have Watson and Grant been remembered principally for the incredible footy they played at 18yoa or younger?
                Hang on, are we typing about the merits of playing younger recruits on the team, or their increased propensity of injury from doing so? The former warrants discussion, the latter is silly.
                He had observed that people who did lie were, on the whole, more resourceful and ambitious and successful than people who did not lie.

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                • Nico
                  Veterans List
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 11328

                  Originally posted by giant
                  And when you see the state of the Balls, Del Santos etc of this world, amen to that.
                  Hey Giant, would you care to rephrase that one as I am rather confused. Whose balls are we talking about here and what state are they in?
                  http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                  • The Big Cat
                    On the veteran's list
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 2347

                    Originally posted by liz
                    I don't think that whether Johnston gets a few games next year on the wing will have much - if any - impact on the time it takes him to be ready to assume a KPF role. Which is what he's been recruited for.
                    Mark Bayes played on a wing before he became one of the premier CHB as did David Rhys Jones, Dennis carroll, Dick Clay (Rich) at FB etc etc. It's a good place to start them when their bodies are not sufficiently developed for the smashing they get as a KPP
                    Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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                    • Nico
                      Veterans List
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 11328

                      Originally posted by The Big Cat
                      Mark Bayes played on a wing before he became one of the premier CHB as did David Rhys Jones, Dennis carroll, Dick Clay (Rich) at FB etc etc. It's a good place to start them when their bodies are not sufficiently developed for the smashing they get as a KPP
                      Valid players indeed to back up your argument. But is our young lad the type who would be suited to the wing? He may be mobile and move through the forward line nicely, but so does Barry Hall and he certainly isn't suited to the wing.

                      The other thing we need to consider is; the game has changed, what was valid back then is not necessarily a smart thing to do today.

                      Rhys Jones was started as winger and I doubt he was going to be groomed as a back man. Ditto for Carroll - they worked out he was more a straight ahead player so moved him back. Bayes was natural winger but later developed into a utility who could play a KP forward or back. Clay played his very best footy on the wing and was moved back later in his career.
                      http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                      • shaun..
                        Stuck in Reserves
                        • Jun 2007
                        • 691

                        Originally posted by 573v30
                        Well, Carlton did get a ROK after all...
                        There's alot of Nick Malceski that I see in Rhys O'Keeffe, and would've much preferred him then Campbell Heath.
                        "In some ways we?re less predictable to ourselves and sometimes that can be detrimental because we don?t really know where we?re going" - P.Roos

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                        • smasher
                          On the Rookie List
                          • Jan 2005
                          • 627

                          I thought we looked to the future well by going for a marking forward and the two seventeen year olds.Clearly it is going to be difficult to pick up good blokes next year when Gold Coast start taking there picks so I thought we were very wise in our choices.

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                          • liz
                            Veteran
                            Site Admin
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 16733

                            Originally posted by shaun..
                            There's alot of Nick Malceski that I see in Rhys O'Keeffe, and would've much preferred him then Campbell Heath.
                            Sounds like there is a lot of Malceski in Heath too - good decision maker and wicked left foot, the reports say. But until we see them play we won't know.

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