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  • bloods2005
    On the Rookie List
    • Apr 2008
    • 91

    Sydney Swans - The big picture

    Ok, so we''ve been pretty competitive in the last 4 or 5 years after our premiership. We have only missed the top 8 once since then.

    My concern is, What are we building towards?? I cannot see a premiership in the next 5-6 years for the swans. We have continued to use recycled players (who have played well for the club) but we do not seem to have a team of champions in the making.

    Look at west coast for example. They bottomed right out, but they got all the high draft picks, and now they are on the rise, just like fremantle, carlton and essendon.

    To me, at the moment its just the 'same old swans' that im seeing week in, week out.

    I really think we needed to bottom right out, get rid of all the older players, and do a complete rebuild.
    Hannebury, Jack, Goodes are gun players, but what about the rest of the team.

    So, what are we building towards, a premiership, or just being competitive?
    I think the head honchos at Sydney are just planning to be competitive, from what Ive seen anyway.
  • longmile
    Crumber
    • Apr 2011
    • 3360

    #2
    I disagree,
    We have been very wise with our draft picks and we have tonnes of good young players like Hannebury, Jack, Kennedy, TDL, Johnson, Johnston, Reid, Rohan and hopefully Jetta if he gets his act together.
    I can see where you're coming from; but I think we could have a premiership in sight in 2-3 yrs when Geelong and Collingwood fall off the top.

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    • bloods2005
      On the Rookie List
      • Apr 2008
      • 91

      #3
      in 2-3 years, we will be up against a prime west coast/carlton/essendon who are showing alot more than sydney at the moment.
      Speed, skill, poise - something which we lack i reckon.
      lets face it, Were gonna be @@@@@@@@ when Goodes and Jude bolton are finished. Especially Goodes, he is such a focal point.

      Ahh, I dunno, I just cant see a bright future compared to some of the other teams.

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      • Cpt. Kirk
        Warming the Bench
        • Feb 2011
        • 351

        #4
        I think roos has put his point to horse that sydney need to remain competitive to keep the fans coming to the game and if we dont we lose crowd sizes and therefore money.
        I think were Sydney is based plays in a large role on why we remain competitive but unlike melbourne and collingwood we can't tank due to Sydney needing the NSW public and not the fully fledged fans to continue going to the games.

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        • longmile
          Crumber
          • Apr 2011
          • 3360

          #5
          Originally posted by Cpt. Kirk
          I think roos has put his point to horse that sydney need to remain competitive to keep the fans coming to the game and if you we dont we lose crowd sizes and therefore money.
          I think were Sydney is based plays in a large role on why we remain competitive but unlike melbourne and collingwood we can't tank due to Sydney needing the NSW public and not the fully fledged fans to continue going to the games.
          THIS.
          The sad sad truth

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          • Cpt. Kirk
            Warming the Bench
            • Feb 2011
            • 351

            #6
            Originally posted by longmile
            THIS.
            The sad sad truth
            Also tanking atm is pointless with GWS getting a majority of the good picks.

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            • Frog
              Retired from RWO
              • Aug 2005
              • 1898

              #7
              Originally posted by bloods2005
              ...snip...
              To me, at the moment its just the 'same old swans' that im seeing week in, week out.

              I really think we needed to bottom right out, get rid of all the older players, and do a complete rebuild.
              ...snip...
              I disagree ... We have been a consistent finals contender for a number of years. And in that time we have won a Grand Final. Whilst we won that Grand Final without Kelly, without Dunkley, without Maxfield and without Lockett, really, we couldn't have won it without them at the same time (you know that makes sense). I am sure their experience and what they passed onto the kids whilst they were growing into Swans footballers has been invaluable. Schneider, LRT, Buchanan, Bevan, we all know who the kids were. At the same time, there were the recycled players - Hall, B2, Ball, Richards ... And did we have a team of champions in the making then? Remember how many commentators should have said sorry because they picked us for the wooden spoon the year before?

              I trust the powers that be at the Swans are doing what they can to get the ultimate prize ... it's what they are in business for. I believe they are on the right track. Why bottom out when we don't have to? We proved that in 2005.

              This team still excites me. They will get there. I hold the faith.

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              • Bloody Hell
                Senior Player
                • Oct 2006
                • 3085

                #8
                Originally posted by bloods2005
                Ok, so we''ve been pretty competitive in the last 4 or 5 years after our premiership. We have only missed the top 8 once since then.

                My concern is, What are we building towards?? I cannot see a premiership in the next 5-6 years for the swans. We have continued to use recycled players (who have played well for the club) but we do not seem to have a team of champions in the making.
                Disagree.

                We have a young team with alot of talent....evidenced by our ladder position. Give them a few years.

                I made a thread a while ago about the 9 year cycle... 2014 - we'll be there or there abouts.
                The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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                • cowcar
                  Pushing for Selection
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 89

                  #9
                  In 4-5 years this group will be hitting thier prime (all will be in the 25-28 age group)...
                  Ried, McGlyn, Hannebury, Jack, Kennedy, TDL, Johnson, Johnston, Reid, Rohan , Smith,Moore, Bird, Mumford
                  These will be in the veteran stage of their career to provide leadershipa and structure: LRT, Malceski, Grundy
                  so in 4-5 years, we will have a gun team... but in the mean time, they are getting better with each game...
                  season 2012- top 4 here we come

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                  • msb
                    On the Rookie List
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 827

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Cpt. Kirk
                    I think roos has put his point to horse that sydney need to remain competitive to keep the fans coming to the game and if we dont we lose crowd sizes and therefore money.
                    I think were Sydney is based plays in a large role on why we remain competitive but unlike melbourne and collingwood we can't tank due to Sydney needing the NSW public and not the fully fledged fans to continue going to the games.
                    Yep this is exactly the reason why we dont bottom out and never can, roosy often used to say this. I dont buy this need to bottom out anyway, there is precedent where premierships have been won without doing so. We never bottomed out and very nearly one back to back flags, geelong has never bottomed out and I dont even need to mention their achievements. Also just because you are prepared to bottom out, are you guaranteed to win a premiership? No, so why bother? A team should give themselves every chance to win a flag every year and recruit the players that can help them do this, which the swans have done.

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                    • msb
                      On the Rookie List
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 827

                      #11
                      Originally posted by bloods2005
                      in 2-3 years, we will be up against a prime west coast/carlton/essendon who are showing alot more than sydney at the moment.
                      Speed, skill, poise - something which we lack i reckon.
                      lets face it, Were gonna be @@@@@@@@ when Goodes and Jude bolton are finished. Especially Goodes, he is such a focal point.

                      Ahh, I dunno, I just cant see a bright future compared to some of the other teams.
                      Yeah and I also heard this when kelly, dunkley, micky o, hall, leo barry and kirky etc etc etc retired and were we @@@@@@???

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                      • bandwagon
                        Regular in the Side
                        • May 2003
                        • 519

                        #12
                        I disagree as well. The idea that high draft picks are required to achieve a premiership is flawed. Look at Collingwood - Fraser was a #1 pick but played no part in their success. And when did Geelong bottom out?
                        In fact you could almost say more recycled players is the way to go.... How would we have gone in 2005 without Williams, Ball, Jolly, Davis, Bolton?
                        I'm happy our club remains competitive rather than tanks.

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                        • Gezball
                          Warming the Bench
                          • Mar 2010
                          • 244

                          #13
                          Originally posted by bloods2005
                          Ok, so we''ve been pretty competitive in the last 4 or 5 years after our premiership. We have only missed the top 8 once since then.

                          My concern is, What are we building towards?? I cannot see a premiership in the next 5-6 years for the swans. We have continued to use recycled players (who have played well for the club) but we do not seem to have a team of champions in the making.

                          Look at west coast for example. They bottomed right out, but they got all the high draft picks, and now they are on the rise, just like fremantle, carlton and essendon.

                          To me, at the moment its just the 'same old swans' that im seeing week in, week out.

                          I really think we needed to bottom right out, get rid of all the older players, and do a complete rebuild.
                          Hannebury, Jack, Goodes are gun players, but what about the rest of the team.

                          So, what are we building towards, a premiership, or just being competitive?
                          I think the head honchos at Sydney are just planning to be competitive, from what Ive seen anyway.
                          I have a lot of sympathy for this view as I've definitely felt this way for a long time. Though recently I'm a bit more optimistic about the young crop coming through and that they might actually be more than just "competitive".
                          I think the sport basically disappears off the sporting landscape in Sydney unless we are a contender. I don't think we really convert people in these times.

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                          • DLBIA14
                            On the Rookie List
                            • May 2010
                            • 673

                            #14
                            Originally posted by msb
                            Yep this is exactly the reason why we dont bottom out and never can, roosy often used to say this. I dont buy this need to bottom out anyway, there is precedent where premierships have been won without doing so. We never bottomed out and very nearly one back to back flags, geelong has never bottomed out and I dont even need to mention their achievements. Also just because you are prepared to bottom out, are you guaranteed to win a premiership? No, so why bother? A team should give themselves every chance to win a flag every year and recruit the players that can help them do this, which the swans have done.
                            Geelong are hardly a fair example. Look at the players they got through father son picks.

                            Anyway, I'm pretty cautious in my opinion. Do we have in us in the next 5 years? I really don't know. I tend to be of the opinion that our veterans (who bless their soul have been the backbone of this club and its continued success) will probably finish up before we get to that stage.

                            The good thing about 2010/2011 for us is that we have been rebuilding and yet continue to be competitive. We've played lots of kids and hopefully some gems develop out of this generation of players. Roos/Longmire were/are actively seeking to rebuild the team, but maintain high standards. I'm firm in the belief that this is better than bottoming out and as mentioned before, our club can't really afford to be uncompetitive.

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                            • lwoggardner
                              Warming the Bench
                              • Aug 2005
                              • 141

                              #15
                              Codswallop. Isn't the old adage that "champion team" > "team of champions". Then there's the teams who seem to rebuilding forever, bottoming out and when on the rise only briefly seem to reach the standard that Sydney strive for year on year before bottoming out again. It can work, but is by no means a guarantee of success.

                              Suggesting the club is just going through the motions to be competitive is harsh. I think the club tries to be the best it can possibly be every year, and I simply don't understand why anyone would criticise them for that.

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