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  • Wardy
    The old Boiler!
    • Sep 2003
    • 6676

    #61
    See New Zealand has it all , footy , beautiful scenery , good pubs , nice people and you can pick up! So make the trip!!
    I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure..................
    Chickens drink - but they don't pee!
    AGE IS ONLY IMPORTANT FOR TWO THINGS - WINE & CHEESE!

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    • Matty10
      Senior Player
      • Jun 2007
      • 1331

      #62
      I'm not a big fan of the AFL doing this - what is the end game supposed to be - what are they trying to achieve? I'd heard a few years ago that they were trying to do the same thing in South Africa (which I thought was a stupid idea too).

      I'd prefer the AFL focussed their attention on getting more community groups in Australia playing our sport rather than worrying about international $.

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      • DamY
        Senior Player
        • Sep 2011
        • 1479

        #63
        St Kilda - Away - in New Zealand

        Originally posted by Matty10
        I'm not a big fan of the AFL doing this - what is the end game supposed to be - what are they trying to achieve? I'd heard a few years ago that they were trying to do the same thing in South Africa (which I thought was a stupid idea too).

        I'd prefer the AFL focussed their attention on getting more community groups in Australia playing our sport rather than worrying about international $.
        Reasons why St Kilda, AFL and Wellington City Council are doing this

        To spread the game to an emerging market (a few Kiwis have actually made it into the AFL system, believe it or not)

        To enhance the pool of potential AFL players (NZ has shown skill in this area, they perform very well in AFL International Cup)

        Groundwork for an NZ-based team (NZ teams are part of the NRL and A-league)

        Pre-emptive exposure (the thousands of Kiwis that move over may barrack for St Kilda or Sydney first as that was the first team they saw)

        All in all I think it is a low risk move by the AFL so I don't think it's that stupid. As a kiwi that has lived here for 12 years, I wish I had been exposed to it when I was younger, I don't really enjoy rugby union or league near as much as I do AFL.

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        • Wardy
          The old Boiler!
          • Sep 2003
          • 6676

          #64
          Originally posted by DamY
          Reasons why St Kilda, AFL and Wellington City Council are doing this

          To spread the game to an emerging market (a few Kiwis have actually made it into the AFL system, believe it or not)

          To enhance the pool of potential AFL players (NZ has shown skill in this area, they perform very well in AFL International Cup)

          Groundwork for an NZ-based team (NZ teams are part of the NRL and A-league)

          Pre-emptive exposure (the thousands of Kiwis that move over may barrack for St Kilda or Sydney first as that was the first team they saw)

          All in all I think it is a low risk move by the AFL so I don't think it's that stupid. As a kiwi that has lived here for 12 years, I wish I had been exposed to it when I was younger, I don't really enjoy rugby union or league near as much as I do AFL.
          What he said AND its a bloody nice place to go to for a little holiday - so why not incorporate a game of footy with it!
          I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure..................
          Chickens drink - but they don't pee!
          AGE IS ONLY IMPORTANT FOR TWO THINGS - WINE & CHEESE!

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          • Dosser
            Just wild about Harry
            • Mar 2011
            • 1833

            #65
            And it's the right time with the Aussie $!

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            • DamY
              Senior Player
              • Sep 2011
              • 1479

              #66
              St Kilda - Away - in New Zealand

              Hehe yup I've never been to Welly before, an AFL game with my dear Swans is a good enough excuse for me! It's what Wellington City Council is hoping for

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              • sharp9
                Senior Player
                • Jan 2003
                • 2508

                #67
                There was once a famous piece of graffiti in Bondi which said

                NEW ZEALAND SUX

                to which some wag added

                AUSTRALIA FIVE

                Comedy gold :-)
                "I'll acknowledge there are more talented teams in the competition but I won't acknowledge that there is a better team in the competition" Paul Roos March 2005

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                • Matty10
                  Senior Player
                  • Jun 2007
                  • 1331

                  #68
                  Originally posted by DamY
                  Reasons why St Kilda, AFL and Wellington City Council are doing this

                  To spread the game to an emerging market (a few Kiwis have actually made it into the AFL system, believe it or not)

                  To enhance the pool of potential AFL players (NZ has shown skill in this area, they perform very well in AFL International Cup)

                  Groundwork for an NZ-based team (NZ teams are part of the NRL and A-league)

                  Pre-emptive exposure (the thousands of Kiwis that move over may barrack for St Kilda or Sydney first as that was the first team they saw)

                  All in all I think it is a low risk move by the AFL so I don't think it's that stupid. As a kiwi that has lived here for 12 years, I wish I had been exposed to it when I was younger, I don't really enjoy rugby union or league near as much as I do AFL.
                  I really hope that this is not the groundwork for a future NZ-based team. If the AFL want to spread the sport to other places so they can start their own competitions that is fine, but I don't see how it improves the game to have an overseas team playing in our national competition.

                  There are are lots of things that the AFL could do, but that doesn't mean that they should.

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                  • Dosser
                    Just wild about Harry
                    • Mar 2011
                    • 1833

                    #69
                    Originally posted by Matty10
                    I really hope that this is not the groundwork for a future NZ-based team. If the AFL want to spread the sport to other places so they can start their own competitions that is fine, but I don't see how it improves the game to have an overseas team playing in our national competition.

                    There are are lots of things that the AFL could do, but that doesn't mean that they should.
                    One of the problems that AFL has is that there is no international rivalry and no Test matches against other nations. We tried it with International Rules but that is more of a curiosity than a competition. Compare that to League, Union and Soccer and we lack that final elite level to which professional sportsmen strive. To be able to provide this level to junior League and Union players should they want to consider AFL would be a big advantage. It is something that the NRL has been saying is their big advantage for years.

                    I think that, apart from adding more markets for the AFL dollar, the Greek is being visionary here and wants to leave a legacy for long after his tenure. To be the CEO that goes down in history as the man who took the game to the world and began a real international competition is probably something that would appeal to him.

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                    • DamY
                      Senior Player
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 1479

                      #70
                      St Kilda - Away - in New Zealand

                      The NZ-based team is a very long term project, I'm sure they'd do a Tas team before that. I think their goal is to have a third WA team and a third QLD or NT team in the next 20 years. But it is all speculation and they'll be more concerned about bedding down GWS and GCS before any other distractions. All of NZ is closer than WA so logistically it isn't impossible.

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                      • Big Al
                        Veterans List
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 7007

                        #71
                        Re: St Kilda - Away - in New Zealand

                        A new team would never work in an area where the rugby code dominates.
                        Last edited by Big Al; 15 September 2012, 12:04 PM.
                        ..And the Swans are the Premiers...The Ultimate Team...The Ultimate Warriors. They have overcome the highly fancied Hawks in brilliant style. Sydney the 2012 Premiers - Gerard Whately ABC

                        Here it is Again! - Huddo SEN

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                        • Dosser
                          Just wild about Harry
                          • Mar 2011
                          • 1833

                          #72
                          Originally posted by Big Al
                          A new team would never work in an area where the rugby code dominates.
                          Just imagine Eddie if a FOREIGN team got salary cap concessions!

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                          • Wardy
                            The old Boiler!
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 6676

                            #73
                            Originally posted by Dosser
                            Just imagine Eddie if a FOREIGN team got salary cap concessions!
                            his head would explode - it would make for great Telly!!
                            I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure..................
                            Chickens drink - but they don't pee!
                            AGE IS ONLY IMPORTANT FOR TWO THINGS - WINE & CHEESE!

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                            • Big Al
                              Veterans List
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 7007

                              #74
                              Re: St Kilda - Away - in New Zealand

                              Originally posted by Dosser
                              Just imagine Eddie if a FOREIGN team got salary cap concessions!
                              Especially with Dane Swan as the New Zealand Ram Raiders inaugural Captain.
                              ..And the Swans are the Premiers...The Ultimate Team...The Ultimate Warriors. They have overcome the highly fancied Hawks in brilliant style. Sydney the 2012 Premiers - Gerard Whately ABC

                              Here it is Again! - Huddo SEN

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