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  • bloodsbigot
    Regular in the Side
    • Mar 2010
    • 813

    The umpires need to be investigated.

    Seriously. That's a @@@@ing joke.

    How long are Hawthorn players allowed to hold onto the ball before disposing of it? Every single time it happened to us we get pinged.

    I'm completely embarrassed by us 'being nice supporters.' That is complete bull@@@@ and so is this result.
  • Faunac8
    Senior Player
    • Mar 2014
    • 1548

    #2
    Originally posted by bloodsbigot
    Seriously. That's a @@@@ing joke.

    How long are Hawthorn players allowed to hold onto the ball before disposing of it? Every single time it happened to us we get pinged.

    I'm completely embarrassed by us 'being nice supporters.' That is complete bull@@@@ and so is this result.
    Normally I am happy to accept that some umpiring decisions can be hard to decipher however tonight was the most baffling and infuriating night I have seen for many a year. I believe I saw at least five incorrect disposals by oppidition players go undetected . The frees for the Swans in the last 1/4 were just an evening up process. Shocking night by the officials

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    • churry
      Warming the Bench
      • Mar 2014
      • 238

      #3
      Firstly another very close game the swans have lost which really shatters our confidence. Can't really make any excuses, that's 3 recent games that the swans should have taken advantage on but lost all and has already hurt our September chances.

      Yes the umpiring was horrible and those 50s plus the count was brutal. Another seriously close game for Hawks where the umpires massaged them, not a good look at all and of course the umpires are immune from criticism within the afl.
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      • Doctor J.
        Senior Player
        • Feb 2003
        • 1310

        #4
        Kilroy, when you compose yourself. Go hard go long and go often. I'm over afl at the moment. It is a joke. Let's just give hawthorn the 4 in a row and start the 2017 season now


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        • annew
          Senior Player
          • Mar 2006
          • 2164

          #5
          Originally posted by Doctor J.
          Kilroy, when you compose yourself. Go hard go long and go often. I'm over afl at the moment. It is a joke. Let's just give hawthorn the 4 in a row and start the 2017 season now
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          I agree with you and from all accounts there are many on social media who do too and it makes you think the must be something in it when opposition fans are sick of hawks frees and are actually sticking up for the swans cos we all know they dont like us

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          Further to my post above - Brad Scott was right in complaining about the umpires and lo and behold it was when they played Hawks

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          • longmile
            Crumber
            • Apr 2011
            • 3365

            #6
            Ive never felt so hurt and betrayed by umpiring before. Truly disgraceful. I'm @@@@ing over it.

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            • Maltopia
              Senior Player
              • Apr 2016
              • 1556

              #7
              We are obviously are the most undisciplined and unskillful team in the competition, as we keep giving away free kicks. Every game vs a Melbourne side except for Essendon has resulted in more free kicks given away than rewarded. 16 games this season, 10 with more free kicks given away, 3 tied, and 3 where we got more free kicks vs GWS once, Essendon and GC... what a coincidence?

              Hawks 15 - 9
              Geelong 24 - 23
              Bulldogs 17 - 16
              Melbourne 17 - 16
              GWS 22 - 15
              GC 14 - 19
              NM 20 - 20
              Hawthorn 15 - 12
              Richmond 28 - 26
              Essendon 18 - 21
              Brisbane 23 - 19
              West Coast 19 - 19
              Adelaide 23 - 21
              GWS 19 - 30
              Carlton 23 - 23
              Collingwood 23 - 18

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              • bloodsbigot
                Regular in the Side
                • Mar 2010
                • 813

                #8
                The only solace I take is that it's eerily similar to 2012. Win to Hawks away. Lose by the skin of our teeth at the SCG.

                We always lose when Hodge is in.

                The loss doesn't surprise me as I was expecting it, but to lose it in that way makes me just want to give up this sport. It's just not worth following a comp that's completely corrupt.

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                • Robtorq
                  On the Rookie List
                  • Oct 2013
                  • 31

                  #9
                  Am I the only that sees the Hawks player blocking the man on the mark. The do it all the time without penalty

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                  • Hotpotato
                    Senior Player
                    • Jun 2014
                    • 2271

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Maltopia
                    We are obviously are the most undisciplined and unskillful team in the competition, as we keep giving away free kicks. Every game vs a Melbourne side except for Essendon has resulted in more free kicks given away than rewarded. 16 games this season, 10 with more free kicks given away, 3 tied, and 3 where we got more free kicks vs GWS once, Essendon and GC... what a coincidence?

                    Hawks 15 - 9
                    Geelong 24 - 23
                    Bulldogs 17 - 16
                    Melbourne 17 - 16
                    GWS 22 - 15
                    GC 14 - 19
                    NM 20 - 20
                    Hawthorn 15 - 12
                    Richmond 28 - 26
                    Essendon 18 - 21
                    Brisbane 23 - 19
                    West Coast 19 - 19
                    Adelaide 23 - 21
                    GWS 19 - 30
                    Carlton 23 - 23
                    Collingwood 23 - 18
                    Hard to argue with that.
                    Looks like we do infringe more than most, or the umps reckon we do .
                    So apart from a professional foul, study the rules boys, even though some of them seem ridiculous (10m zone ).

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                    • stellation
                      scott names the planets
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 9720

                      #11
                      I don't think there's a real conspiracy in Hawthorn's favour, although I concede that's probably more based around a skeptic view of "surely that sort of thing doesn't really go on", but I'd be curious to know just what it is. Is it something to do with their training regime and they just have remarkable core strength across the board, so a team with JPK's ability to stand in the tackle longer seems uneven and we focus on the anomalies? Is it group think on the rest of the AFL fandom's behalf that leads us to collectively view everything as an example? Have they been trained in specific techniques that other teams need to cotton on to on how to make free kicks that could go to them appear more obvious and conceal those that should go against them?

                      It's probably the first game I've walked away from in a while genuinely feeling the umpiring ruined the enjoyment of it, and did find myself thinking "I kind of get the whole #freekickhawthorn thing".
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                      • AnnieH
                        RWOs Black Sheep
                        • Aug 2006
                        • 11332

                        #12
                        .... if the swans played the ball and not the man, they wouldn't give away so many free kicks.
                        On the other hand, I called about 20 things the cheaters did that didn't get penalised.
                        Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                        Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                        • Industrial Fan
                          Goodesgoodesgoodesgoodes!
                          • Aug 2006
                          • 3318

                          #13
                          We lost to Bulldogs in what I thought was a great contest and as far as losses go, I enjoyed it.

                          Left the ground last night pissed off and with no voice. Commented at some point that Def leopards drummer was out there umpiring and could only pay free kicks in one direction.

                          From the one where Lewis was taken down arm pinned with no disposal to Nick Smith being told to play on without coming off his line the umpiring was @@@@.

                          The 50 against Jack came at such a critical time, and I would really like to know whether the one against McGlynn was legitimate with another player running in the exclusion zone. Didn't see it as McGlynn trying to impede the player that had taken the mark more trying to get to the runner.
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                          • mcs
                            Travelling Swannie!!
                            • Jul 2007
                            • 8166

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Maltopia
                            We are obviously are the most undisciplined and unskillful team in the competition, as we keep giving away free kicks. Every game vs a Melbourne side except for Essendon has resulted in more free kicks given away than rewarded. 16 games this season, 10 with more free kicks given away, 3 tied, and 3 where we got more free kicks vs GWS once, Essendon and GC... what a coincidence?

                            Hawks 15 - 9
                            Geelong 24 - 23
                            Bulldogs 17 - 16
                            Melbourne 17 - 16
                            GWS 22 - 15
                            GC 14 - 19
                            NM 20 - 20
                            Hawthorn 15 - 12
                            Richmond 28 - 26
                            Essendon 18 - 21
                            Brisbane 23 - 19
                            West Coast 19 - 19
                            Adelaide 23 - 21
                            GWS 19 - 30
                            Carlton 23 - 23
                            Collingwood 23 - 18
                            I'd argue that the free kick stats gets skewed because we don't get rewarded nearly enough for 'free kick earning' efforts like good tackles. There were are least 4 or 5 instances last night that were clear holding the ball/illegal disposals where we should of got free but didn't - its an ongoing trend this year, and so frustrating. In particular we don't get nearly enough reward when the players do the 'Hawthorn drop'.

                            if people think last nights umpiring was bad, just remember the Hawks can call on Stevic, Schmitt, Pannell or Chamberlain comes finals time - who are all infinitely worse than the three on show last night. The rest of the competition is @@@@@@, as the umps will ensure the hawks get over the line if they need to.

                            If the rules were enforced as they should be, in particular incorrect disposal, the hawks would come back to the field very quickly. They are the masters at dropping the ball and incorrect disposal, and dodgy handballs, and they get away with it time and time and time and time and time again.

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                            Originally posted by Industrial Fan
                            We lost to Bulldogs in what I thought was a great contest and as far as losses go, I enjoyed it.

                            Left the ground last night pissed off and with no voice. Commented at some point that Def leopards drummer was out there umpiring and could only pay free kicks in one direction.

                            From the one where Lewis was taken down arm pinned with no disposal to Nick Smith being told to play on without coming off his line the umpiring was @@@@.

                            The 50 against Jack came at such a critical time, and I would really like to know whether the one against McGlynn was legitimate with another player running in the exclusion zone. Didn't see it as McGlynn trying to impede the player that had taken the mark more trying to get to the runner.
                            The Jack one was exceptionally harsh - he couldn't just magically get out of the protected zone, and hadn't deviated to get in there, a poor 50/50 call. The McGlynn one was there though - I really think the Dawks player went to play on and McGlynn's actions were fair though, but I can see how they gave it. I wish the umpires would stop focusing on crap like that and start focusing on frees that should be given but are not - i.e. those when players dispose of the ball by just dropping it cold.
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                            • BRISWAN
                              Warming the Bench
                              • Aug 2005
                              • 304

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Maltopia
                              We are obviously are the most undisciplined and unskillful team in the competition, as we keep giving away free kicks. Every game vs a Melbourne side except for Essendon has resulted in more free kicks given away than rewarded. 16 games this season, 10 with more free kicks given away, 3 tied, and 3 where we got more free kicks vs GWS once, Essendon and GC... what a coincidence?

                              Hawks 15 - 9
                              Geelong 24 - 23
                              Bulldogs 17 - 16
                              Melbourne 17 - 16
                              GWS 22 - 15
                              GC 14 - 19
                              NM 20 - 20
                              Hawthorn 15 - 12
                              Richmond 28 - 26
                              Essendon 18 - 21
                              Brisbane 23 - 19
                              West Coast 19 - 19
                              Adelaide 23 - 21
                              GWS 19 - 30
                              Carlton 23 - 23
                              Collingwood 23 - 18
                              Wouldn't it be interesting to see the same free kick comparison for Hawthorn //////

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