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  • YvonneH
    Senior Player
    • Sep 2011
    • 1141

    Vultures circling Sam Reid

    On AFL tonight Jake Naill said Vic clubs are circling Sam Reid (out of contract and according to Jake has not commenced talks with the Swans as yet).

    Wouldn't be surprise if the Pies were right up there as their forward line is non existent at the moment and Ben Reid plays for them.
    Would be a coup for them to have Sam forward and Ben back.
  • controlink
    On the Rookie List
    • Oct 2016
    • 16

    #2
    That would be a major blow, would rather give up Tippet (even though I like him) also worried about Zac Jones..

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    • barracuda
      Regular in the Side
      • Jun 2016
      • 551

      #3
      The swans have a pretty good history of managing players to be less injury prone. Neither Reid nor Tippet are particularly sound physically, and have not provided full value to the swans over the years. If the swans can't fix them I don't know who can, however in my view let another club try. I think a team of robust, reliable, well drilled team players is better than flakey superstars. Look at Western Bulldogs. We should be targeting players with a strong track record for reliability, then coaching them to be a great team.

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      • Cosmic Wizard
        recruit me pretty please!
        • Sep 2005
        • 620

        #4
        Originally posted by YvonneH
        On AFL tonight Jake Naill said Vic clubs are circling Sam Reid (out of contract and according to Jake has not commenced talks with the Swans as yet).

        Wouldn't be surprise if the Pies were right up there as their forward line is non existent at the moment and Ben Reid plays for them.
        Would be a coup for them to have Sam forward and Ben back.
        The Pies wouldn't have the salary cap to blow us out of the water - Reid is on maybe $500,000 a year??

        They have got Wells and Mayne which has really cost them big.

        But with the new player payments coming through, who know.

        About the best which can said is that North $9 million 9 year offer for Kelly won't be the only insane bid going around.

        Someone is going to offer him huge money, which means we need to force retirements on McVeigh and Jack, and delist quite a few others.
        doof-doof

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        • Mug Punter
          On the Rookie List
          • Nov 2009
          • 3325

          #5
          I have no doubt that another club could come in for Reid and blow us out of the water financially given his start to the season, St Kilda have plenty of cash and he would add to their list (along with their first rounder and their Pick 1 this year LOL) and I could see North throwing some serious money at him too.

          He has started well and overcome his injuries so ultimately I guess it depends on how close we can get financially and how happy he is in Sydney (very happy from all reports).

          I'll call him as 50-50 but if he is still unsigned by the end of June he is gone for mine.

          Jones I'd be more confident with as he can't go as a restricted free agent and his form in the season proper whist good has not been enough to extract silly money. Plus he has really only just broken into the side and I reckon this is the place for him to develop. I'll only start to worry about him if he is unsigned at the end of June.

          Overall our list retention and list management is pretty good.

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          • Ludwig
            Veterans List
            • Apr 2007
            • 9359

            #6
            Sam is a restricted FA, so we can match any offer he receives from other clubs. It will take a big offer to get him, but I have little doubt he will receive some. If we let him go, it should translate into a 1st round pick, which is based on salary and length of contract, although this would be another opportunity for the AFL to screw us. Given our current ladder position, we could well finish out of the 8 and get a young KPP who is better value than Reid and free up a lot of salary space. Although I am a fan of Reid, I wouldn't see it as that bad an outcome. A KPF from this year's draft and Blakey next year could form the foundation of our next generation forward line.

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            • Mug Punter
              On the Rookie List
              • Nov 2009
              • 3325

              #7
              Originally posted by Ludwig
              Sam is a restricted FA, so we can match any offer he receives from other clubs. It will take a big offer to get him, but I have little doubt he will receive some. If we let him go, it should translate into a 1st round pick, which is based on salary and length of contract, although this would be another opportunity for the AFL to screw us. Given our current ladder position, we could well finish out of the 8 and get a young KPP who is better value than Reid and free up a lot of salary space. Although I am a fan of Reid, I wouldn't see it as that bad an outcome. A KPF from this year's draft and Blakey next year could form the foundation of our next generation forward line.
              I'd agree with that assessment. If Sam comes outright and says that he wants to leave then I doubt that we'd stand in his way but I don't think that will happen as it will all be about the $ on offer, and I get that the players have short careers and that this is his last contract probably.

              Having said that I don't think we'll be held to ransom here. Getting $500,000 into our cap space and a first round draft pick wouldn't be a bad outcome if we (privately) concede that we are in a mini-rebuild phase.

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              • mcs
                Travelling Swannie!!
                • Jul 2007
                • 8184

                #8
                Originally posted by Mug Punter
                I'd agree with that assessment. If Sam comes outright and says that he wants to leave then I doubt that we'd stand in his way but I don't think that will happen as it will all be about the $ on offer, and I get that the players have short careers and that this is his last contract probably.

                Having said that I don't think we'll be held to ransom here. Getting $500,000 into our cap space and a first round draft pick wouldn't be a bad outcome if we (privately) concede that we are in a mini-rebuild phase.
                I'd prefer to see us get rid of Tippo and match the $$$ to keep reid, but I completely agree Mug that it wouldn't be the worse outcome in that circumstance, if we got the 1st round draft pick it should probably give us (knowing the AFL, they'll find a way to screw us over).
                "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                • Boddo
                  Senior Player
                  • Mar 2017
                  • 1049

                  #9
                  It's not just the point of losing Reid cause when you look at our key position forward stocks the cupboard is basically bare apart from Franklin & Reid. Who's next in line? Toby Pink has a while to go, I know some will say Rohan but he's a medium tall. Some will say Dawson but he may not even make it. Some will say Blakey but he's not even at the club n may take 4 more years to develop. You could draft someone this year but he will take atleast 3 years to come on. Our KPF stocks are very low.

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                  • chalbilto
                    Senior Player
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 1139

                    #10
                    Tall KPF take time to develop. Sam is coming to the prime football age and it is imperative that the club retain him on the list. It's a no brainer to let him go.

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                    • Aprilbr
                      Senior Player
                      • Oct 2016
                      • 1803

                      #11
                      Vultures circling Sam Reid

                      The lack of certainty on the salary cap situation is making it hard for the Swans (and probably everyone else). Unless he breaks down again he will be offered big coin elsewhere so it comes down to what loyalty discount he would accept to stay a Swan? It's 50/50 in my view whether he stays or goes. Either way the better he goes this year the better it will be for him and us in terms of what we might get in return. A definite hole would be left in our forward line without him. We are already too reliant on buddy.

                      Perhaps we can get Jessie White back in return from Collingwood? 555 only joking!


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                      • Boddo
                        Senior Player
                        • Mar 2017
                        • 1049

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Aprilbr
                        The lack of certainty on the salary cap situation is making it hard for the Swans (and probably everyone else). Unless he breaks down again he will be offered big coin elsewhere so it comes down to what loyalty discount he would accept to stay a Swan? It's 50/50 in my view whether he stays or goes. Either way the better he goes this year the better it will be for him and us in terms of what we might get in return. A definite hole would be left in our forward line without him. We are already too reliant on buddy.

                        Perhaps we can get Jessie White back in return from Collingwood? 555 only joking!


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                        We don't have any bargaining power apart from matching whatever he gets offered. So the better he plays the more he gets offered which means we can't match it. He's a RFA so we would be at the mercy of AFL compensation. Same as hawthorn when it came to Franklin.

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                        • Mug Punter
                          On the Rookie List
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 3325

                          #13
                          The whole Salary Cap situation is increasingly making it impossible for clubs to plan their lists, I mean technically we don't even have a cap for this year and quite honestly it could well remain unresolved until the end of the season.

                          I think the AFLPA actually have some balls with this now. For starters the elite in the game (Dangerfield and Pendlebury to name a couple) are leading the charge.

                          And I may be in the minority but I believe that the players deserve their fair share and I don't believe they are getting it. Yes there is a $2m one off increase but after that it is a measly 1% a year after all the extra money the game gets for the new TV deal. All the time when fat cats like Gillon have their snouts in the trough.

                          I'm really disappointed in the AFL's hardball stance here, it was widely being reported that there would be a big jump then 3% for the rest of the deal. That seems fair to me and I just cannot see why it can't be done.

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                          Originally posted by Boddo
                          We don't have any bargaining power apart from matching whatever he gets offered. So the better he plays the more he gets offered which means we can't match it. He's a RFA so we would be at the mercy of AFL compensation. Same as hawthorn when it came to Franklin.
                          He would be a prize recruit and the big thing of course for the receiving club is not giving up draft picks.

                          Not that we will be able to complain about the system

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                          • Boddo
                            Senior Player
                            • Mar 2017
                            • 1049

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Mug Punter
                            The whole Salary Cap situation is increasingly making it impossible for clubs to plan their lists, I mean technically we don't even have a cap for this year and quite honestly it could well remain unresolved until the end of the season.

                            I think the AFLPA actually have some balls with this now. For starters the elite in the game (Dangerfield and Pendlebury to name a couple) are leading the charge.

                            And I may be in the minority but I believe that the players deserve their fair share and I don't believe they are getting it. Yes there is a $2m one off increase but after that it is a measly 1% a year after all the extra money the game gets for the new TV deal. All the time when fat cats like Gillon have their snouts in the trough.

                            I'm really disappointed in the AFL's hardball stance here, it was widely being reported that there would be a big jump then 3% for the rest of the deal. That seems fair to me and I just cannot see why it can't be done.

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                            He would be a prize recruit and the big thing of course for the receiving club is not giving up draft picks.

                            Not that we will be able to complain about the system
                            Can't rely on a system that gave Melbourne pick 3 for Frawley and gave Hawthorn pick 19 for Franklin. It's a lottery. The AFL have never explained what the system is and I honestly don't believe there is a system when it comes to compensation. So I wouldn't hold my breath expecting to receive anything relevant to what we have put into him.

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                            • Industrial Fan
                              Goodesgoodesgoodesgoodes!
                              • Aug 2006
                              • 3318

                              #15
                              Free agency is rubbish anyhow. Never mind that its pick3 and 19, but everyone gets penalised that isnt drafting a free agent, and it stinks.

                              Why should anyone have a pick pushed back because we drafted Franklin? The Swans have been a big beneficiary of free agency with Franklin alone, but the compensation side of free agency is broken.
                              He ate more cheese, than time allowed

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