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  • Matty10
    Senior Player
    • Jun 2007
    • 1331

    General footy chat Toby Green - kung fu fighting?

    So, what do you think about last night's effort by Toby Green's boot to the face last night - all's fair in love and war, or another low down dirty act?

    Toby Greene kick, suspension, Luke Dahlhaus incident, GWS Giants v Western Bulldogs, Leon Cameron | Fox Sports


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  • Sandridge
    Outer wing, Lake Oval
    • Apr 2010
    • 2080

    #2
    Cannot possibly let that go unpunished. Letting it go means any player can fend off a tackler by sticking a boot in his face.

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    • Matty10
      Senior Player
      • Jun 2007
      • 1331

      #3
      Agreed. Although there doesn't seem to be any consensus amongst the ex-player (or current) playing group. Carey's comment that it wasn't against any of the rules was an interesting one.


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      • Mel_C
        Veterans List
        • Jan 2003
        • 4470

        #4
        When I first saw the incident
        I thought it was a marking contest so didn't think anything wrong with it. But then realised it was from a handball so now not so sure. Not a fan of his but he did have his eyes on the ball. Who knows how the MRP are going to see it.

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        • CureTheSane
          Carpe Noctem
          • Jan 2003
          • 5032

          #5
          Nothing in it for me.
          People are biased in their existing opinions of Green.
          The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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          • Matty10
            Senior Player
            • Jun 2007
            • 1331

            #6
            Toby Green - kung fu fighting?

            Originally posted by CureTheSane
            People are biased in their existing opinions of Green.
            This may well be true - but there aren't many instances of people randomly putting a foot out in the air upon receiving a handball. It is dangerous play - you can't fend off someone with your foot (in their face) so they don't tackle you.


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            • neilfws
              Senior Player
              • Aug 2009
              • 1826

              #7
              Toby Green - kung fu fighting?

              I think everyone saw the same thing but will interpret it their own way, particularly depending on their existing opinion of Greene. I thought it was careless rather than intentional. Not sure how they'll grade the impact, given Dahlhaus came back and didn't seem too affected, but was bleeding.
              I don't have strong feelings about Greene either way, but thought he and his teammates handled the aftermath pretty well.

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              • dimelb
                pr. dim-melb; m not f
                • Jun 2003
                • 6889

                #8
                Originally posted by CureTheSane
                Nothing in it for me.
                People are biased in their existing opinions of Green.
                Applying boot to face, however gently, can never be nothing. AFL has to take it up imo.
                He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                • CureTheSane
                  Carpe Noctem
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 5032

                  #9
                  Nobody seems to be talking about the great spring he has in his step
                  Should have been a high jumper...
                  The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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                  • Meg
                    Go Swannies!
                    Site Admin
                    • Aug 2011
                    • 4828

                    #10
                    Luke Parker was fined for a similar incident in 2015 after making contact to Grant Birchall's abdomen with his left foot in a match against Hawthorn. It was classified as careless conduct with low impact to the body.

                    Luke took it to the Tribunal and pleaded not guilty, saying he was attempting to spin in the air after he took possession of the ball so he could feed a quick handball. However he was found to have breached his duty of care and his appeal was dismissed.

                    Greene is likely to be in more trouble because his foot hit the face and the injury outcome was more severe. If it is classified as careless, with medium impact to the head it would be a two match base penalty plus one match for a bad record. I'm not sure if the one match reduction for early guilty plea would apply (given the bad record addition). So I suspect Greene will be out for at least the last two H&A matches + possibly the first finals match.

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                    • Matty10
                      Senior Player
                      • Jun 2007
                      • 1331

                      #11
                      Thanks Meg, I just looked it up (very interesting): Luke Parker's challenge to rough conduct charge fails - M.afl.com.au

                      Has anyone else mentioned it in the media since the Greene incident? There are many parallels that can be drawn.

                      If the AFL follows precedent, it is certain to result in a suspension.


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                      • Meg
                        Go Swannies!
                        Site Admin
                        • Aug 2011
                        • 4828

                        #12
                        I'm not aware of any media comparison with Parker.

                        Luke must have been genuinely upset about the implicit suggestion of poor sportsmanship to have contested the charge in his case, as he was only facing a fine.

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                        • Matty10
                          Senior Player
                          • Jun 2007
                          • 1331

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Meg
                          Luke must have been genuinely upset about the implicit suggestion of poor sportsmanship to have contested the charge in his case, as he was only facing a fine.
                          Maybe. Or the Swans' lawyers just wanted some practice against the grading system of the AFL at the tribunal.


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                          • CureTheSane
                            Carpe Noctem
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 5032

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Meg
                            I'm not aware of any media comparison with Parker.

                            Luke must have been genuinely upset about the implicit suggestion of poor sportsmanship to have contested the charge in his case, as he was only facing a fine.
                            Green may well be as well.
                            I mean has anyone here met him. Might be a great bloke who plays hard, tough and mean.
                            The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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                            • Matty10
                              Senior Player
                              • Jun 2007
                              • 1331

                              #15
                              Originally posted by CureTheSane
                              I mean has anyone here met him. Might be a great bloke who plays hard, tough and mean.
                              Does that actually make a difference though? It is on-field behaviour that is being judged. If his actions don't meet the standards of the sport he will get suspended - surely that is fair enough. I don't think it would matter who the offender was in this instance.


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