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  • ernie koala
    Senior Player
    • May 2007
    • 3251

    Team List Swans Selections for round 1

    MY guess....

    FB : Smith Grundy Marsh
    HB : Rampe Melican Mills
    C : Lloyd Heeney Jones
    HF :Rohan Reid Hewett
    FF : Papley Franklin Jack
    FOL : Sinclair Kennedy Parker

    INTER : Cunningham, Towers, Florent, Fox

    EMG : Newman, Cameron, Hayward

    Assumptions...

    McVeigh and Hannebery unavailable.
    Fox to be elevated from rookie list.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect... MT
  • liz
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    • Jan 2003
    • 16770

    #2
    Elevations from rookie lists are no longer required (other than for the Cat B rookies). All Cat A rookies can play senior footy.

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    • ugg
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      • Jan 2003
      • 15970

      #3
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      • liz
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        • Jan 2003
        • 16770

        #4
        Actually focussing on your named team, I think there are a lot of small and medium defenders in that team. You've named Lloyd on the wing, but in reality he's played predominantly across half back for the last couple of seasons, and very effectively too. I can't see him being moved. Cunningham looks slated for defence, as does Fox. Plus you have Marsh in the team, who was good yesterday but still plays a similar role (or will do, with Grundy and Rampe back in the team). Surely these three (and Newman) are fighting it out for, at most, two spots in the team. Unless, that is, Mills is unleashed into the midfield, but on the JLT showing, it doesn't look like that's in the coaches' plans any time soon.

        On the other hand, the team looks light on for smaller forwards. Hayward's two pre-season games have been modest but I'd still have him (or Rose) in the team ahead of one of those smaller defenders. He's a player that can hit the scoreboard, even without many touches, and he does provide good pressure in the forward line. He's had an injury interrupted pre-season, which I think explains his quiet JLT form as much as anything else does. If he plays NEAFL, he'll quickly look a class above anyone else out there.

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        • Auntie.Gerald
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          • Oct 2009
          • 6478

          #5
          B: Nick Smooch , Heath Grundy, Dane Rampe
          HB: Jake Lloyd, Lewis Melican , Callum Mills
          C: Luke Parker , Josh Kennedy, Cunningham
          HF: Jack, Sam Reid, Oliver Florent
          F: Rohan, Lance Franklin, Tom Papley
          R: Callum Sinclair, Heeney, George Hewett

          I: Hayward, Jones, Robbie Fox, Towers

          I think we have shown our hand that we will have some serious run off our backline this season and our short post up kicks require backs to flood forward with serious dash...just like we have shown thru this pre season. If u don?t have fast gut running backs coming past these short kicks well u are at the mercy of the defence shutting down options to get out quickly.

          So who are the backs that can play this style of footy?

          Lloyd, jones, Fox, marsh, Cunningham

          Newman, smith, mills not so much as the small med defenders as they are not as quick as the above

          So looking at the above if we are picking defensive players to be in alignment with our fast transition game plan I think they pick them self right now

          The contentious one is picking Fox over Newman. I like Newman?s decision making and kicking ability but he can?t play the fast running give and go footy from our backline that Fox can. That gives us a rotation of lloyd, Jones and Fox playing the fast transition gut running out of the backline. I also believe we can NOT play Newman and macca in our new transition style of footy. We can?t have two players that are more set up post up style players. We need runners hence our recruitment going all in the direction of runners off the HB line. Looks like fox gets an early nod for this role prior to Ling and Stoddart for the future

          The other contentious selection is that I?m picking Ollie for now as we need him come finals as he will just get better and better over the season. He has more upside then some others ...... he also played a solid game against gws and at the smaller SCG we might even see him rotate off HBF with his strong on the run long kick into the forward line......which he showed nicely against GWS in the wknd. He will probably be replaced by Hannes upon return but if he is playing well enough we could see Ollie play ahead of Rohan or Hayward or more then likely Cunningham who might be under pressure

          It is a fantastic problem to have right now. There are valid arguments for so many players to be in the 22. My argument is that we have with our doubt evolved our play and who can fit this style is very important to our ability to be no1

          Out:
          Newman
          Macca
          Naismith
          Hannes
          AA
          Marsh
          Robbo
          Stoddart
          Last edited by Auntie.Gerald; 11 March 2018, 07:11 AM.
          "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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          • Auntie.Gerald
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            • Oct 2009
            • 6478

            #6
            I went back and watched our first qtr vs gws

            I wanted to see how we used our backline rotation

            Ollie last 5 mind of the first qtr went back and played in the backline and played well as a give and go defender and delivered clean kicks
            "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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            • liz
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              • Jan 2003
              • 16770

              #7
              Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald

              So looking at the above if we are picking defensive players to be in alignment with our fast transition game plan I think they pick them self right now
              Winning contested ball is also a key part of the game plan (any club's game plan, really) but that doesn't mean you'd play all of Kennedy, Parker, Hannebery, Hewett, Mitchell, Bird etc in the same team.

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              • Auntie.Gerald
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                • Oct 2009
                • 6478

                #8
                Agree
                U can slice it anyway u want when selecting a team but for me all indicators point towards we are evolving our balance of running and inside players hence our recruitment last year and our clear change in back line transitions this pre season has been lovely to watch and relieving quite frankly

                We have enough contested players and our backline already has smith, Melican, Grundy, Rampe and Mills

                I?m only talking about 1 less contested or slower player in our 22 being dropped for a faster running player to be added

                That?s not changing the scales of contested much but it?s enough I think

                Hence me pointing to only Jones, lloyd and fox as more give and go fast transition players that could start round 1 and do it well.......3 only with a player like ollie and or Cunningham playing deep as wingers when needed in the transition which they did in the pre season games
                Last edited by Auntie.Gerald; 11 March 2018, 08:11 AM.
                "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                • 707
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                  • Aug 2009
                  • 6204

                  #9
                  Newman and Fox both look deserving of a place based on JLT as does Cunningham - finally!

                  All I know is that it's going to be a fascinating team for R1, unlike the previous two years, this year we have depth (except ruck) on the list and also available at the start of the season.

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                  • DST
                    The voice of reason!
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 2705

                    #10
                    Originally posted by ernie koala
                    MY guess....

                    FB : Smith Grundy Marsh
                    HB : Rampe Melican Mills
                    C : Lloyd Heeney Jones
                    HF :Rohan Reid Hewett
                    FF : Papley Franklin Jack
                    FOL : Sinclair Kennedy Parker

                    INTER : Cunningham, Towers, Florent, Fox

                    EMG : Newman, Cameron, Hayward

                    Assumptions...

                    McVeigh and Hannebery unavailable.
                    Fox to be elevated from rookie list.
                    Move Marsh to the emergency, put Hayward to the bench and Fox on in place of Marsh.

                    All things being equal and we have a full squad, Marsh won?t play in WA (biggest ground in Australia) due to his lack of pace.
                    "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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                    • Auntie.Gerald
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                      • Oct 2009
                      • 6478

                      #11
                      Marsh funny enough was quickest at the draft testing over the repeat 20m sprints but I don?t think marsh is in the best 22 just yet but is staking further claim with a very good gws game in the JLT.
                      "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                      • stevoswan
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                        • Sep 2014
                        • 8555

                        #12
                        Not enough love for Newman here..... one of our best on the weekend, racks up the possessions (27 against GWS plus 12 marks and 4 tackles) and usually uses them creatively. I love Harry Marsh (16 possessions, 7 marks, no tackles) but Nic is ahead of him. I don't care if he's not the fastest going around, his kicking is so good and penetrating, it makes up for any lack of speed. Like Newman had to, the new boys will have to wait their turn......Harry as well.

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                        • Ludwig
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                          • Apr 2007
                          • 9359

                          #13
                          Commenting on Ernie?s team, like several others, I can?t see Newman being omitted from the senior side. He?s had a very good pre-season and there?s no reason why he should be losing his spot from last year, despite both Cunningham and Fox also playing quite well. I think it?s possible to fit all 3 in the side for round 1 if Hayward is omitted, something I would prefer. I?m not concerned that all 3 have played mostly in defence so far this season. It just means that we will see more of the usual midfielders roll forward, which I think is a positive.

                          The other key point is that if Aliir is fit to play he must be in the side, whether in defence or as our ruckman. He simply offer much more than Sinclair. In our round 2 game v. PA, Aliir is a much better matchup against Ryder, who would be far too athletic for Sinclair. Aliir?s position will likely be dictated by whether Reg is fit to play round 1. He may be a bit underdone at this stage and usually has a slow start to the season anyway. There are lots of other reasons why Aliir should start the season in the senior side, but like any player, if he doesn?t show he deserves his spot he should be dropped. Aliir will get contract offers of $3 to $4 million for 5 years from some clubs even if he doesn?t play a senior game this year. We don?t want to lose him.

                          If Sinclair plays, it?s probably Fox who should be dropped, despite his very impressive performance so far. With at least 26 players deserving of a senior spot, several will have to miss out. Hanners and McVeigh look to be set to return early in the season, so that will create more pressure on spots after round 1.

                          The persistence of mythologies in society is quite remarkable and has many underlying causes. Some last thousands of years, some recent ones persist despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. The myth that a team needs to have a big ruckman is one such mythology. One of the key reasons for its persistence is the constant repetition of this as fact by most commentators, who simply repeat what they hear from their peers. Some call this false narrative ?thinking inside the box.?

                          Who could have imagined these words coming from the mouth of John Longmire last year?

                          "We can go with Aliir (Aliir) as well and we went with Dean Towers for five or six games last year. We'll just be creative."

                          Sounds like he?s come under the influence of ??..

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                          • Blood Fever
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                            • Apr 2007
                            • 4048

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Ludwig
                            Commenting on Ernie?s team, like several others, I can?t see Newman being omitted from the senior side. He?s had a very good pre-season and there?s no reason why he should be losing his spot from last year, despite both Cunningham and Fox also playing quite well. I think it?s possible to fit all 3 in the side for round 1 if Hayward is omitted, something I would prefer. I?m not concerned that all 3 have played mostly in defence so far this season. It just means that we will see more of the usual midfielders roll forward, which I think is a positive.

                            The other key point is that if Aliir is fit to play he must be in the side, whether in defence or as our ruckman. He simply offer much more than Sinclair. In our round 2 game v. PA, Aliir is a much better matchup against Ryder, who would be far too athletic for Sinclair. Aliir?s position will likely be dictated by whether Reg is fit to play round 1. He may be a bit underdone at this stage and usually has a slow start to the season anyway. There are lots of other reasons why Aliir should start the season in the senior side, but like any player, if he doesn?t show he deserves his spot he should be dropped. Aliir will get contract offers of $3 to $4 million for 5 years from some clubs even if he doesn?t play a senior game this year. We don?t want to lose him.

                            If Sinclair plays, it?s probably Fox who should be dropped, despite his very impressive performance so far. With at least 26 players deserving of a senior spot, several will have to miss out. Hanners and McVeigh look to be set to return early in the season, so that will create more pressure on spots after round 1.

                            The persistence of mythologies in society is quite remarkable and has many underlying causes. Some last thousands of years, some recent ones persist despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. The myth that a team needs to have a big ruckman is one such mythology. One of the key reasons for its persistence is the constant repetition of this as fact by most commentators, who simply repeat what they hear from their peers. Some call this false narrative ?thinking inside the box.?

                            Who could have imagined these words coming from the mouth of John Longmire last year?

                            "We can go with Aliir (Aliir) as well and we went with Dean Towers for five or six games last year. We'll just be creative."

                            Sounds like he?s come under the influence of ??..
                            Hope he hasn't been ludwinked!

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                            • Auntie.Gerald
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                              • Oct 2009
                              • 6478

                              #15
                              Originally posted by stevoswan
                              Not enough love for Newman here..... Like Newman had to, the new boys will have to wait their turn......Harry as well.
                              For me everything is on the table re arguing style of play and personnel

                              No one player is above the ability of the team to function at the highest level.......ok maybe buddy

                              We had to be more flexible in our approach and at first glance it looks awesome. I thought we looked composed and actually better with our new backline transitions....less lloyd and Jones dependant and no macca nor AA ie all players who love to take the game on from the backline and Newman didn?t come on for 10mins in the first qtr

                              Our first qtr we played so sharp with the easy short mark then flood forward in numbers.....yet in the 2nd qtr when we went back to kick to a spot and contest it looked clunky and we struggled and gws got on top

                              Re stats

                              Swampy marsh set up TWO direct Goal assists and scored a long range plugger goal himself but I didn?t pick him either

                              Dane swan used to get a million disposals with his 5m away give and goes but I never rated him and when u set up behind a contest that player always get a stack of disposals

                              For me it is majorly a team philosophy of flexibility and the direction that the team is going and that was evident on the weekend that we are now flexible between a contested and uncontested style of transition

                              When stoodard came on after 10mins the speed lifted again and GWS struggled to keep up with a flood forward easy ball approach

                              Newman recovered brilliantly after a terrible first qtr where he hand balled to know one twice and kicked two easy ones out on the full including that lazy chip on his right foot out on the full from back pocket ie a turnover almost almost on the arc......if harry marsh did that or Towers it would be unforgivable and talked about for months.

                              I love Newman?s skills and he has massively improved his work rate, second efforts and anticipation in defence last two seasons.....neafl is way to easy for Newman but for me he falls into the category of borderline selection like about 6 other players in the 22.

                              The approach we are now taking evolves the mix of players we need on the field

                              There is a change of the guard happening at the Swans and maybe I?m seeing it way to early but I loved the change up of transitions and flooding forward off the short mark posting up and giving off to players running past.

                              It makes us less predictable and difficult to out coach .......and we did it...... we executed two weeks in a row........belief occurs and we can find momentum

                              The playing group and coaching group should be proud of the first steps they have taken......because it looked convincing and natural

                              Very PA from a few years ago 2014? A little bit gws and Richmond also in their preferred style of attack

                              If u have the players to do itwell ite so hard to stop and we experimented with it and it looked so non buddy dependant and non tall forward dependant

                              Hmmmmm it will be fascinating to observe over the first 6 weeks especially
                              Last edited by Auntie.Gerald; 11 March 2018, 03:52 PM.
                              "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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