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  • Doctor J.
    Senior Player
    • Feb 2003
    • 1310

    Swans chat Sam Naismith

    Does Sam Naismith really exist?
    I read on afl.com that Nic Natinui is about to commence full training and could be available for selection after the bye in round 13. Meaning NN will be back playing inside 12 months after his 2nd ACL. Naismith did his ACL in preseason 2017 and we haven’t seen him since. WHY?
    Sam is only listed on the injured list as tbc. What does that even mean?

    And on other injured players. Who is this Ling bloke we’ve had on our list for what seems like forever? Don’t anyone ever tell me that we are good at managing injured players




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  • Markwebbos
    Veterans List
    • Jul 2016
    • 7186

    #2
    Originally posted by Doctor J.
    Does Sam Naismith really exist?
    I read on afl.com that Nic Natinui is about to commence full training and could be available for selection after the bye in round 13. Meaning NN will be back playing inside 12 months after his 2nd ACL. Naismith did his ACL in preseason 2017 and we haven’t seen him since. WHY?
    Sam is only listed on the injured list as tbc. What does that even mean?

    And on other injured players. Who is this Ling bloke we’ve had on our list for what seems like forever? Don’t anyone ever tell me that we are good at managing injured players
    I do believe it was last year's preseason. Ling is back playing in the NEAFL, has been for several weeks.

    It would be good to know where Big Sam is in his recovery though.

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    • liz
      Veteran
      Site Admin
      • Jan 2003
      • 16758

      #3
      I'd have thought our experiences watching AJ's knee issues would have taught us that recovering from an ACL is not a linear, predictable process.

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      • Doctor J.
        Senior Player
        • Feb 2003
        • 1310

        #4
        Originally posted by Markwebbos
        I do believe it was last year's preseason. Ling is back playing in the NEAFL, has been for several weeks.

        It would be good to know where Big Sam is in his recovery though.
        Yes last years pre season. Thanks for the correction. Still doesn’t alter the fact that Crayfish has taken forever to recover and there are no signs of a recovery or more to the point no news of a return. It’s very frustrating when Tyson Goldsack did an ACL in last years pre season and played 4 games last year


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        • Doctor J.
          Senior Player
          • Feb 2003
          • 1310

          #5
          Originally posted by liz
          I'd have thought our experiences watching AJ's knee issues would have taught us that recovering from an ACL is not a linear, predictable process.
          AJ’s was multiple ACL’s. Naismith is a single injury. Not even similar


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          • liz
            Veteran
            Site Admin
            • Jan 2003
            • 16758

            #6
            Originally posted by Doctor J.
            AJ’s was multiple ACL’s. Naismith is a single injury. Not even similar


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            Naismith may only have ruptured his ligament once, but he was reported as having had a set back a month or two ago and had to have some more surgery.

            And Alex's comeback even after his last reconstruction (ignoring the one he required after making a successful comeback) was slowed by various other soft tissue injuries, which were probably at least in part caused by the whole rehab process.

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            • chalbilto
              Senior Player
              • Oct 2007
              • 1139

              #7
              Whatever the set back or seriousness of Naismith injury, it would be really appreciated if the club could give us, the supporters, more information, apart from TBC, and as such would end speculation and frustration.

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              • liz
                Veteran
                Site Admin
                • Jan 2003
                • 16758

                #8
                Originally posted by chalbilto
                Whatever the set back or seriousness of Naismith injury, it would be really appreciated if the club could give us, the supporters, more information, apart from TBC, and as such would end speculation and frustration.
                TBC means "indefinite" or "they just don't know". Not everything fits into neat, predictable timeframes, especially recovery from serious injury. Would it really be better for the club to make a stab in the dark at some time frame (only to be later criticised when it turns out to be wrong)?

                I think TBC is best interpreted as "we won't see him back in the seniors until very close to the end of the season, if at all" given they will want to give him a solid block of NEAFL time when he's ready to play. And it's not like there will be any great need to rush him back to make us more ruck-competitive for the finals.
                Last edited by liz; 8 May 2019, 12:36 AM.

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                • Roadrunner
                  Senior Player
                  • Jan 2018
                  • 1465

                  #9
                  Unfortunately we can’t count on big Sam for quite a while-as Liz says every case is unique. So what to do? My pet theme in case you’ve missed it, is that we need 2 ruckmen to help our mids, where it all starts. We don’t have a dominating ruckman, but one who tries hard and gives his best each week. Yes, our mids have been poor compared to previous years, but moving Mills there, who is out of form, may not help much. Having alternating rucks may give them a split second more to find the ball! Hence Cameron- let’s find out if he can make it by giving him a run of games. Appreciate that at NEAFL level his form may not warrant senior selection: who else do we have?

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                  • caj23
                    Senior Player
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 2462

                    #10
                    Just shows the lack of foresight by our club in putting all of their ruck eggs in the Naismith basket

                    Assuming he doesn't play this year (and that's a fair bet) he will have played 26 games over his 6 seasons, not his fault but he's been a sicknote for the majority of his time on our list

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                    • The Big Cat
                      On the veteran's list
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 2354

                      #11
                      Originally posted by caj23
                      Just shows the lack of foresight by our club in putting all of their ruck eggs in the Naismith basket
                      Bulldust. At the time, we had Tippett, Naismith and Sinclair and have since recruited Cameron as a backup.
                      Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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                      • caj23
                        Senior Player
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 2462

                        #12
                        Originally posted by The Big Cat
                        Bulldust. At the time, we had Tippett, Naismith and Sinclair and have since recruited Cameron as a backup.
                        How is it bulldust?

                        It's 2019, Tippett retired at the beginning of last year so I'm not sure why you'd even mention him, you might as well have included Adam Goodes as one of our options.

                        We have headed into 2019 where rule changes mean having a dominant ruck is more important than ever with 2 Ruck/Forward Hybrids (one has only played 1 game), and a traditional ruckman coming off a knee reco who can't get on the park.

                        Please explain how you think this is good strategy/planning?

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                        • Swanny40519
                          Regular in the side.
                          • Oct 2012
                          • 469

                          #13
                          Getting back to the original post about Naismith and managing injuries - I think that we have dropped badly in this area.

                          You only need to look at the way Hawthorn have managed Scully and O'Meara. They were both virtually written off by their old clubs and are now back playing. The Swans used to have a great record in having low number of injuries and managing the players back to games. Now we are badly being left behind (again). Reid missed nearly 2 years, Mills nearly a full year, Naismith a full year plus, Smith - looks like a full year, Ling 2 full years, Grundy does not seem to be coming back any time soon.

                          The Swans used to be considered a very professionally run club with excellence in most football departments. Now it seems we are really struggling badly in a lot of areas - managing injuries, football skills, recruiting decisions, communications to its members and football fans. Hopefully we can turn this all around soon.

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                          • Blood Fever
                            Veterans List
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 4043

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Swanny40519
                            Getting back to the original post about Naismith and managing injuries - I think that we have dropped badly in this area.

                            You only need to look at the way Hawthorn have managed Scully and O'Meara. They were both virtually written off by their old clubs and are now back playing. The Swans used to have a great record in having low number of injuries and managing the players back to games. Now we are badly being left behind (again). Reid missed nearly 2 years, Mills nearly a full year, Naismith a full year plus, Smith - looks like a full year, Ling 2 full years, Grundy does not seem to be coming back any time soon.

                            The Swans used to be considered a very professionally run club with excellence in most football departments. Now it seems we are really struggling badly in a lot of areas - managing injuries, football skills, recruiting decisions, communications to its members and football fans. Hopefully we can turn this all around soon.
                            So hamstrings, knees, broken bones in foot and broken arms are controllables and the fault of the club?

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                            • bloodspirit
                              Clubman
                              • Apr 2015
                              • 4448

                              #15
                              Beyond Cameron, we have Amartey and McLean as more speculative ruck options.

                              Horse has always been a fan of ruck depth. There was a time, not so long ago, that he was regularly pilloried on RWO for that.
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