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  • Matty10
    Senior Player
    • Jun 2007
    • 1331

    Clarkson departing Hawthorn at end 2021

    Sounds like Clarko will now be available next year (in breaking news that Caroline Wilson is now reporting).

    I wonder if he would be available in a consultancy basis to explain how he would set up to beat us (or does that not matter now that he has gone?).
  • Maltopia
    Senior Player
    • Apr 2016
    • 1556

    #2
    Originally posted by Matty10
    Sounds like Clarko will now be available next year (in breaking news that Caroline Wilson is now reporting).

    I wonder if he would be available in a consultancy basis to explain how he would set up to beat us (or does that not matter now that he has gone?).
    We could pay him to have coffee with Gill so we get more balanced umpiring.

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    • i'm-uninformed2
      Reefer Madness
      • Oct 2003
      • 4653

      #3
      Originally posted by Matty10
      Sounds like Clarko will now be available next year (in breaking news that Caroline Wilson is now reporting).

      I wonder if he would be available in a consultancy basis to explain how he would set up to beat us (or does that not matter now that he has gone?).
      Good riddance to bad rubbish. If he spent more time coaching his players than bagging ours and telling Gil what the umpires needed to do, maybe he'd still be in a job.

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      Last edited by liz; 30 July 2021, 06:34 PM. Reason: Retained part relevant to this thread
      'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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      • 707
        Veterans List
        • Aug 2009
        • 6204

        #4
        On the AFL website a short time ago, Corey Warner still in Twomey's best 22. Not a reach for our first rounder at pick 20 :-)

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        • MattW
          Veterans List
          • May 2011
          • 4208

          #5
          Originally posted by Matty10
          Sounds like Clarko will now be available next year (in breaking news that Caroline Wilson is now reporting).

          I wonder if he would be available in a consultancy basis to explain how he would set up to beat us (or does that not matter now that he has gone?).
          Caroline Wilson, whose reporting on that story was spot on, and who stared down the dudes who doubted it.

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          • Matty10
            Senior Player
            • Jun 2007
            • 1331

            #6
            Originally posted by MattW
            Caroline Wilson, whose reporting on that story was spot on, and who stared down the dudes who doubted it.
            Yes, I imagine a few apologies should be heading her way by those who doubted the veracity of her claims.

            Having said that, it is funny what is viewed as good journalism. Does it matter if she was able to report the breakdown before it was made known? Does the public deserve or need to know? The reality is that it became a bigger story because of the reporting on every phase of the event, which in turn caused the denials and further bitterness (further generating more news in a self-serving cycle). If the media had left the story alone from when the news about Mitchell’s appointment was announced to the departure of Clarkson at the end of the year (or perhaps sooner now), would we be any poorer? I doubt it.

            The examination, criticism and, or, celebration of the events would have come in due time anyway.

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            • giant
              Veterans List
              • Mar 2005
              • 4731

              #7
              Originally posted by MattW
              Caroline Wilson, whose reporting on that story was spot on, and who stared down the dudes who doubted it.
              Hear hear!! She (and several others) are owed some seriously grovelling apologies.

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              • neilfws
                Senior Player
                • Aug 2009
                • 1821

                #8
                What is it with these mishandled hand-overs. Malthouse/Buckley, Clarkson/Mitchell.

                My recollection is that Roos/Longmire went pretty smoothly and without acrimony? Did we just do it better?

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                • Mel_C
                  Veterans List
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 4470

                  #9
                  Originally posted by MattW
                  Caroline Wilson, whose reporting on that story was spot on, and who stared down the dudes who doubted it.
                  Yes she was smacked down by Kennett and Clarkson last week. What an embarrassment for Hawthorn. They are a laughing stock the way they have handled this.

                  They now have to pay Clarkson next year for doing nothing. They are trying to get the AFL to agree to spreading the payment out over multiple years.

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                  • i'm-uninformed2
                    Reefer Madness
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 4653

                    #10
                    Clarko and Kennett were nitro meeting glycerin.

                    Nice to know one buggered up their list with delusion and the other doomed Sam Mitchell (a sniper in his own right) before he even started.

                    Watching their fans suffer through a decade of misery will be a joy. The new Carlton.
                    'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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                    • goswannies
                      Senior Player
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 3049

                      #11
                      Originally posted by neilfws
                      What is it with these mishandled hand-overs. Malthouse/Buckley, Clarkson/Mitchell.

                      My recollection is that Roos/Longmire went pretty smoothly and without acrimony? Did we just do it better?
                      Wasn’t it actually initiated by Roos, who was was satisfied with his achievements and content to continue coaching our academy (being fairly well for his efforts)?

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                      • Sandridge
                        Outer wing, Lake Oval
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 2063

                        #12
                        Originally posted by i'm-uninformed2
                        Clarko and Kennett were nitro meeting glycerin.

                        Nice to know one buggered up their list with delusion and the other doomed Sam Mitchell (a sniper in his own right) before he even started.
                        Watching their fans suffer through a decade of misery will be a joy. The new Carlton.
                        Clarkson was obviously a great coach with a record all other clubs would be jealous of.

                        However, he's a very dislikeable human being whose success, unfortunately was at an even more dislikeable club.

                        I didn't know how hated Hawthorn was until we beat them in the 2012 GF and the whole football world - not just us - rejoiced!

                        It will be hugely rewarding watching the repercussions of this disastrous "succession plan." Let's hope the Poos and Wees implode and the fallout impacts the club for a very, very long time!

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                        • Goal Sneak
                          Out of Bounds on the Full
                          • Jun 2006
                          • 653

                          #13
                          Originally posted by goswannies
                          Wasn’t it actually initiated by Roos, who was was satisfied with his achievements and content to continue coaching our academy (being fairly well for his efforts)?
                          That's my interpretation of what happened also. Roos was also very aware that JL had been patiently waiting for his chance and was too good a prospect to let go. He put his ego aside and did what was best for the club. That was not going to happen when you're dealing with egos the size of Malthouse, Clarkson, Eddie and Kennett!
                          Last edited by Goal Sneak; 30 July 2021, 08:30 PM.

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                          • Bangalore Swans
                            Suspended by the MRP
                            • Mar 2021
                            • 1049

                            #14
                            Originally posted by neilfws
                            What is it with these mishandled hand-overs. Malthouse/Buckley, Clarkson/Mitchell.

                            My recollection is that Roos/Longmire went pretty smoothly and without acrimony? Did we just do it better?
                            I think there were a couple of differences:

                            1) Roos wanted to have a break from coaching and worked out a plan with the club.

                            2) I think Longmire is a more emotionally intelligent and mature man that Mitchell. He knew how to play his role in 2009 and 2010 and used the time as an opportunity to learn as much as he can before he became a head coach. He was ready in 2011 having spend his time wisely in 2009 and 2010. I think that Michell and Buckley having been legendary players at their clubs and having presidents who worship them have far greater entitlement than Longmire ever did.

                            Hawthorn got themselves into this mess by panicking when Mitchell said he was talking to Collingwood. They could have said to Mitchell that Collingwood are a big club and if you are offered that opportunity then it’s a decision that you need to make. When Alistair moves on we’ll assess what the best option is in the market and you’ll be a at the top of the candidates list.

                            Does anyone know anything about Mitchell as an assistant coach. Is he absolutely the most skilled or talented assistant coach available in the market?

                            I’m still to fully understand why the Hawks felt Mitchell was the sole option to succeed Clarkson in the market place.

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                            • stevoswan
                              Veterans List
                              • Sep 2014
                              • 8548

                              #15
                              Originally posted by neilfws
                              What is it with these mishandled hand-overs. Malthouse/Buckley, Clarkson/Mitchell.

                              My recollection is that Roos/Longmire went pretty smoothly and without acrimony? Did we just do it better?
                              Simply, Roos was ready to go and made sure his departure was smooth and beneficial to the future of the club.....Malthouse and Clarkson weren't ready to move on. So yes, I guess the relaxed focussed Swans just made better decisions than Collingwood and Hawthorn who made panicked judgements.

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