Round 23: the other games. The prelude to finals and the prelude to Mad Monday.

[barry]

There is that of course. So much and in fact all of the messiness is actually people in the media, former players, coaches, the
drovers dog feeling the need to chime in every five seconds. Their yabbering is the messiness. Everyone could just shut up
and let the coach and players do their thing. Anyway, not much chance of that I suppose.

The media salivate if there is even a possibility of a coach being sacked. They have had a field day with Buckley, Teague and poor old Stewy Dew this year.
Stewy Dew has been particularly poorly treated. No one from the Suns has even suggested he's under review.

[KTigers]

The media salivate if there is even a possibility of a coach being sacked. They have had a field day with Buckley, Teague and poor old Stewy Dew this year.
Stewy Dew has been particularly poorly treated. No one from the Suns has even suggested he's under review.

I know. They (the media) get such joy from watching and joining in the demise of the coaches. It's kind of gross. I know coaches are well paid
(for a while) and they know what's coming as far as media scrutiny goes, but Stewy won't be making enough money to keep him up the front
of the plane for very long after he gets fired. Have you noticed also how lovingly the cameras focus on Stewy's belly every chance they get?
As if to say, "hey look at this fat guy, how can he be an AFL coach". It's so ****ing trashy.

[rb4x]

Well Teague has now been sacked! Media have got there story there and now can focus on Dew.

[i'm-uninformed2]

So Carlton gave - among other reasons - for sacking him a view that their list was underperforming. They still don't get it. They have an average list at best, can't develop players, recruit badly and are utterly ordinary. Long may their delusion continue, and whether it is Ross Lyon or someone else, they're about to find out the hard way.

[dejavoodoo44]

So Carlton gave - among other reasons - for sacking him a view that their list was underperforming. They still don't get it. They have an average list at best, can't develop players, recruit badly and are utterly ordinary. Long may their delusion continue, and whether it is Ross Lyon or someone else, they're about to find out the hard way.

On the one hand, I don't really want Lyon to get the job, as I thought his public auditioning was a bit tacky. On the other hand, getting the Carlton job, may be an extended punishment, rather than a reward.

It does appear that he's strong favourite to take over, since a Carlton spokesperson has just been talking about how Teague's game plan was too focused on attack, at the expense of the defence. So, it looks like it's over to Ross, to implement his ideas on defensive structures. Which for Carlton fans, may be an extended punishment, rather than a reward.

[barry]

Carlton have a good list. If Ross gets a good structure around him, no reason they cant be bottom of the 8 contenders.

[i'm-uninformed2]

On the one hand, I don't really want Lyon to get the job, as I thought his public auditioning was a bit tacky. On the other hand, getting the Carlton job, maybe an extended punishment, rather than a reward.

It does appear that he's strong favourite to take over, since a Carlton spokesperson has just been talking about how Teague's game plan was too focused on attack, at the expense of the defence. So, it looks like it's over to Ross, to implement his ideas on defensive structures. Which for Carlton fans, maybe an extended punishment, rather than a reward.

What Lyon did was disgraceful

[i'm-uninformed2]

Carlton have a good list. If Ross gets a good structure around him, no reason they cant be bottom of the 8 contenders.

Gonna disagree, not because I don't think in a good year a list with McKay, Walsh, Weitering, C Curnow (fit), Saad, De Koening as he develops and Cripps can't sneak into the finals.

But that's their limit. And that's the problem. They are happy to muddle along - recruiting overrated types like Williams, or failing to develop their young players properly (and that goes well beyond any coach).

Don't even compare Carlton to us and the hard yards we've done the last few years. Right now, North are closer to a flag. They are building a deep and quality midfield (albeit a few years from maturity), have some emerging players at either end of the ground, and yes, some holes to fill - but the right coach and culture to give themselves a chance.

Carlton is footy's version of my dog chasing its tail.

[Go Swannies]

On the one hand, I don't really want Lyon to get the job, as I thought his public auditioning was a bit tacky. On the other hand, getting the Carlton job, maybe an extended punishment, rather than a reward.

It does appear that he's strong favourite to take over, since a Carlton spokesperson has just been talking about how Teague's game plan was too focused on attack, at the expense of the defence. So, it looks like it's over to Ross, to implement his ideas on defensive structures. Which for Carlton fans, maybe an extended punishment, rather than a reward.

Lyon is a very ordinary human being. I'm so glad that he didn't stay around when he was considered the front runner for the Swans job but went to St Kilda instead. There I remember the night they lost a final and his farewell speech to the broken hearted players included naming those he was delisting. Then he snuck out of the club altogether, leaving them in the lurch for Freo. He has managed to never win a Premiership with some very talented teams so long may that continue.

[barry]

Gonna disagree, not because I don't think in a good year a list with McKay, Walsh, Weitering, C Curnow (fit), Saad, De Koening as he develops and Cripps can't sneak into the finals.

But that's their limit. And that's the problem. They are happy to muddle along - recruiting overrated types like Williams, or failing to develop their young players properly (and that goes well beyond any coach).

Williams problem is his salary, and what impact that has on managing their cap. If we came to them on $500k, no one would care.

Don't even compare Carlton to us and the hard yards we've done the last few years. Right now, North are closer to a flag. They are building a deep and quality midfield (albeit a few years from maturity), have some emerging players at either end of the ground, and yes, some holes to fill - but the right coach and culture to give themselves a chance.

North have been the media darlings, which is incredible for a team that has remained dead last from round 1 to round 23. Talk about false hope. They are rubish, and will remain rubish for a long, long time.
Cartlon may not win a flag with this generation, but they should be where Essendon is right now.

[Bangalore Swans]

I know there are strong feelings about the Hawks on this forum.

Does anybody feel satisfied that the Hawks are now going to have a significant amount of their 2022 football cap allocated to funding Clarko’s overseas study tours.

By not taking another coaching job, Clarko has inflicted maximum football department pain on Sam Mitchell.

[Markwebbos]

Lyon is a very ordinary human being. I'm so glad that he didn't stay around when he was considered the front runner for the Swans job but went to St Kilda instead. There I remember the night they lost a final and his farewell speech to the broken hearted players included naming those he was delisting. Then he snuck out of the club altogether, leaving them in the lurch for Freo. He has managed to never win a Premiership with some very talented teams so long may that continue.

Lyon might just be the perfect match for Carlton

[Bangalore Swans]

Lyon is a very ordinary human being. I'm so glad that he didn't stay around when he was considered the front runner for the Swans job but went to St Kilda instead. There I remember the night they lost a final and his farewell speech to the broken hearted players included naming those he was delisting. Then he snuck out of the club altogether, leaving them in the lurch for Freo. He has managed to never win a Premiership with some very talented teams so long may that continue.

I guess he took St Kilda rebuilt by Grant Thomas and Fremantle largely rebuilt by Harvey to big heights and claimed a lot of credit along the way.

He will probably get Carlton at a similar point.

The difference with Carlton compared with St Kilda and Fremantle is that the Carlton’s board have a 2022 expectation of making finals.

Making the final 8 is not an easy achievement in a 18 team competition.

[bandwagon]

I know there are strong feelings about the Hawks on this forum.

Does anybody feel satisfied that the Hawks are now going to have a significant amount of their 2022 football cap allocated to funding Clarko’s overseas study tours.

By not taking another coaching job, Clarko has inflicted maximum football department pain on Sam Mitchell.

Schadenfreude. If that is a symptom of a small and petty mind - then I plead guilty.
Unfortunately in contrasted to Carlton, Hawthorn appear to be able to competently recruit and develop players.

[i'm-uninformed2]

Schadenfreude. If that is a symptom of a small and petty mind - then I plead guilty.
Unfortunately in contrasted to Carlton, Hawthorn appear to be able to competently recruit and develop players.

Correct weight. The idea a board, CEO and footy department that have underperformed for a decade got off scot free, and they just nicked off some coaches, shows everything wrong with the joint. Carlton's development of its players is dreadful. Only the true exceptions, like Walsh or Weitering, survive.