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  • O'Reilly Boy
    Warming the Bench
    • Feb 2014
    • 474

    Swans chat Best 22 Round 1 2022

    Rampe McCartin Cunningham
    Lloyd Blakey McInerney

    Hickey Parker Warner
    Florent Mills Dawson

    Wicks Franklin Heeney
    Hayward McDonald Papley

    Hewitt Gulden Rowbottom Campbell


    Notes
    1. I feel like I'm short one backman, but perhaps Campbell and Dawson to rotate back.
    2. No ruck back-up either.

    So two possible changes: Rowbottom/Campbell out for Amartey/O'Riordan

    3. Omitting Melican leaves us with the height issue in back half. Partly addressed by Blakey in, but may point to some difficult choices. Can we play all of Blakey, Lloyd, Cunningham, McInerney, Campbell?

    4. I'm happy to stick with Florent for now, but concede that he may be under some pressure.
  • Markwebbos
    Veterans List
    • Jul 2016
    • 7186

    #2
    No JPK!

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    • Captain
      Captain of the Side
      • Feb 2004
      • 3602

      #3
      Good attempt. Would need to find a way to get Fox and JPK in there.

      Also, how is the relief ruck?

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      • O'Reilly Boy
        Warming the Bench
        • Feb 2014
        • 474

        #4
        I am thinking that we can't pick Parker, Kennedy, Mills, Warner, Rowbottom and Hewitt in the same team, and I am seeing enough in Hewitt over the final part of the season to think that he steps into that engine room role. If pushed, Warner to make way for JPK, then, but perhaps only a matter of time? Hamstring injury this late in a stellar career is a worry. Remember how quick the end has been for a number of players once they get a late career injury? I have a WCE friend who constantly used to chip me about the Swans being unable to effect rebuilds because of our attachment to players, and I guess that is part of my thinking, too.


        The ruck question is harder, and my inclination is to find a way to get Amartey into the team, as he also offers that height down the line as well as being a forward option. Perhaps McDonald out for Amartey?

        I can't see how to get Fox into the team without injuries

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        • Roadrunner
          Senior Player
          • Jan 2018
          • 1444

          #5
          Originally posted by O'Reilly Boy
          I am thinking that we can't pick Parker, Kennedy, Mills, Warner, Rowbottom and Hewitt in the same team, and I am seeing enough in Hewitt over the final part of the season to think that he steps into that engine room role. If pushed, Warner to make way for JPK, then, but perhaps only a matter of time? Hamstring injury this late in a stellar career is a worry. Remember how quick the end has been for a number of players once they get a late career injury? I have a WCE friend who constantly used to chip me about the Swans being unable to effect rebuilds because of our attachment to players, and I guess that is part of my thinking, too.


          The ruck question is harder, and my inclination is to find a way to get Amartey into the team, as he also offers that height down the line as well as being a forward option. Perhaps McDonald out for Amartey?

          I can't see how to get Fox into the team without injuries
          Sorry but Wicks doesn’t deserve a spot- his forward pressure be damned. Put Amartey in as he is needed in the ruck and up forward. His marking alone would put more pressure on defenders than Wicks does by running around. Let’s learn the lesson from yesterday’s game once and for all! If you’re not landing tackles that stick then you’re not applying pressure in my book- period!

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          • O'Reilly Boy
            Warming the Bench
            • Feb 2014
            • 474

            #6
            Originally posted by Roadrunner
            Sorry but Wicks doesn’t deserve a spot- his forward pressure be damned. Put Amartey in as he is needed in the ruck and up forward. His marking alone would put more pressure on defenders than Wicks does by running around. Let’s learn the lesson from yesterday’s game once and for all! If you’re not landing tackles that stick then you’re not applying pressure in my book- period!
            Respectfully disagree. Small pressure forward is key part of structure, and Amartey plays a different role (as do Papley and Hayward).
            I think that the choice is between McDonald, Amartey and Reid for now, with McDonald moving to cover Buddy when Buddy goes. I'm not sure that the balance was right with Bell and Wicks, but Wicks is a keeper in a role which doesn't get much love in the Champion Data Universe. On television we just don't see how much ground he covers cutting off switches, drawing defenders away, and, when the structure requires it, he is a handy target. Gulden could play a similar role, but is more useful in the more attacking role around the ground.

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            • TheBloods
              Suspended by the MRP
              • Feb 2020
              • 2047

              #7
              Thinking we will trade Hewett but keep Parker and Dawson

              B Cunningham Mccartin Fox
              HB Blakey Rampe Lloyd
              C Dawson Mills Mcinerney
              HF Gulden Franklin Heeney
              F Hayward McDonald Papley
              Foll Hickey Parker Warner

              Int Kennedy Florent Campbell Wicks

              Medi sub Amartey

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              • Roadrunner
                Senior Player
                • Jan 2018
                • 1444

                #8
                Originally posted by O'Reilly Boy
                Respectfully disagree. Small pressure forward is key part of structure, and Amartey plays a different role (as do Papley and Hayward).
                I think that the choice is between McDonald, Amartey and Reid for now, with McDonald moving to cover Buddy when Buddy goes. I'm not sure that the balance was right with Bell and Wicks, but Wicks is a keeper in a role which doesn't get much love in the Champion Data Universe. On television we just don't see how much ground he covers cutting off switches, drawing defenders away, and, when the structure requires it, he is a handy target. Gulden could play a similar role, but is more useful in the more attacking role around the ground.
                Understand your view on Wick’s role, which is great in theory; trouble is I don’t see him doing it well. I used to think that it’s due to watching the game on TV, with limited view of the play. If this were true, surely we would see other forwards with more space, if defenders are being pulled out of position, and this very rarely happens- Buddy usually has a couple hanging off him and Paps, Heeney and Wilbur mostly have to make their own space. Hence the constant and pointless bombing to the forward line. If Wicks or Bell were performing as intended, surely this could be avoided a lot more. Don’t need either of them- sorry.

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                • O'Reilly Boy
                  Warming the Bench
                  • Feb 2014
                  • 474

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Roadrunner
                  Understand your view on Wick’s role, which is great in theory; trouble is I don’t see him doing it well. I used to think that it’s due to watching the game on TV, with limited view of the play. If this were true, surely we would see other forwards with more space, if defenders are being pulled out of position, and this very rarely happens- Buddy usually has a couple hanging off him and Paps, Heeney and Wilbur mostly have to make their own space. Hence the constant and pointless bombing to the forward line. If Wicks or Bell were performing as intended, surely this could be avoided a lot more. Don’t need either of them- sorry.

                  I would say that it was happening in the fourth quarter, when we were getting good entries and finding marking targets inside 50. By then we seemed to be benefitting from all that extra attention going to Franklin, and there being more space opened up on the fat side. Converting those marks into goals was the problem!! Earlier in the game, because we weren't able to spend time managing possession, our entries were panicked and Buddy-focussed, which allowed GWS to double and triple-man him. But I agree that we don't need both Wicks and Bell in those roles.

                  But I don't want you to think that I'm player-obsessed, and I'm really happy to have this exchange of opinions!

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                  Originally posted by TheBloods
                  Thinking we will trade Hewett but keep Parker and Dawson

                  B Cunningham Mccartin Fox
                  HB Blakey Rampe Lloyd
                  C Dawson Mills Mcinerney
                  HF Gulden Franklin Heeney
                  F Hayward McDonald Papley
                  Foll Hickey Parker Warner

                  Int Kennedy Florent Campbell Wicks

                  Medi sub Amartey
                  Same problem with my team: no back-up ruck. Have to find a way to get Amartey into the 22!

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                  • TheBloods
                    Suspended by the MRP
                    • Feb 2020
                    • 2047

                    #10
                    Originally posted by O'Reilly Boy
                    Same problem with my team: no back-up ruck. Have to find a way to get Amartey into the 22!
                    Could easy take Fox out , Amartey in and then have any of Dawson McInerney Campbell playing out back in Fox's place

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                    • Roadrunner
                      Senior Player
                      • Jan 2018
                      • 1444

                      #11
                      Originally posted by TheBloods
                      Thinking we will trade Hewett but keep Parker and Dawson

                      B Cunningham Mccartin Fox
                      HB Blakey Rampe Lloyd
                      C Dawson Mills Mcinerney
                      HF Gulden Franklin Heeney
                      F Hayward McDonald Papley
                      Foll Hickey Parker Warner

                      Int Kennedy Florent Campbell Wicks

                      Medi sub Amartey
                      That’s fine TB- but please explain why Wicks is better than Rowie. However, don’t say Wicks plays a useful team role
                      because that is BS pure and simple. He is not best 22 by a long shot at this stage. He and Bell were shocking yesterday and both belong to the ressies. Both can look elsewhere- a bit harsh but we don’t need passengers.

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                      • TheBloods
                        Suspended by the MRP
                        • Feb 2020
                        • 2047

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Roadrunner
                        That’s fine TB- but please explain why Wicks is better than Rowie. However, don’t say Wicks plays a useful team role
                        because that is BS pure and simple. He is not best 22 by a long shot at this stage. He and Bell were shocking yesterday and both belong to the ressies. Both can look elsewhere- a bit harsh but we don’t need passengers.
                        Thats your opinion ,

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                        • longmile
                          Crumber
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 3360

                          #13
                          FF: Papley Franklin Gulden
                          HF: Wicks Reid Hayward
                          M: Dawson Hewett Heeney
                          HB: Blakey Fox Cunningham
                          FB: Rampe McCartin Lloyd
                          R: Hickey Parker Mills

                          I: Warner Kennedy McInerney Rowbottom
                          Sub: Florent

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                          • Roadrunner
                            Senior Player
                            • Jan 2018
                            • 1444

                            #14
                            Originally posted by TheBloods
                            Thats your opinion ,
                            True TB- just my opinion. Take yesterday’s game as an example, though of course it was just 1 game, albeit a final.

                            Both Rowie and Wicks were playing in their first final: now compare their respective contributions. True, one was an on- baller and the other a forward, but we had heaps of entries into our forward 50.

                            Chalk and cheese in my book. Of course, you may beg to differ, but please back it up- anyone can have an opinion but it helps if it is based on solid facts and figures.

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                            • Ralph Dawg
                              Senior Player
                              • Apr 2018
                              • 1729

                              #15
                              B Cunningham ? Rampe
                              HB Lloyd McCartain Blakey
                              C JMac Mills Dawson
                              HF Gulden McDonald Heeney
                              F Papley Buddy Hayward
                              Foll Hickey Parker Hewett
                              Int JPK Campbell Rowbottom Warner
                              Medi sub Florent

                              Can't name our second tall defender. Could be Melican or Gould / BOC depending on preseason. Fox if we are happy to play Rampe as second tall. Paddy? Convert Reid / Amartey / McLean. It's really the great unknown but will play a big part in our fortunes moving forward. Hope management gets it right!

                              I'm hoping McDonald will fullfill his talent and have a breakout year next year. Good chance for the rising Star award. Logan to ruck in F50 to give Hickey a breather - he's a solid young fella, should be serviceable.

                              Florent has plateaued. I'm predicting he will fall behind our young midfielders. Should still play a fair bit in 2022 but if everyone is fit, will be just on the outer.

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