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  • KTigers
    Senior Player
    • Apr 2012
    • 2499

    Originally posted by Aprilbr
    But we are forgetting that Greenwood went against his word. GC would never have delisted him if he had not already said to them that he was happy with the arrangement to be re-listed. GC were naive but does a person's word count for anything these days in professional sports?
    Naive? I dunno, maybe they just took the guy at his word. Crazy.

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    • Ruck'n'Roll
      Ego alta, ergo ictus
      • Nov 2003
      • 3990

      Originally posted by Aprilbr
      It sounds like he wants the AFL to go the way of the English Premier League and have a small number of clubs with much more revenue than the rest due to wealthy owners and large supporter bases dominating the competition each year.
      Originally posted by wolftone57
      Yes that is the way he would like it
      The AFL had pretty much "achieved" this outcome in the 80's, and it was a calamity for the league and the game as a whole. No business is capable of regulating itself, that's what government is for.

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      • KTigers
        Senior Player
        • Apr 2012
        • 2499

        Originally posted by Ruck'n'Roll
        The AFL had pretty much "achieved" this outcome in the 80's, and it was a calamity for the league and the game as a whole. No business is capable of regulating itself, that's what government is for.
        I think anyone who thinks there is much connection between the AFL & the EPL (other than the players in both leagues chase a ball around
        whilst running on grass) needs to have their faculties checked out. But as we all know the Collingwood boardroom and the local mental
        hospital have been indistinguishable for a long time.

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        • sharp9
          Senior Player
          • Jan 2003
          • 2508

          Side note of interest…The AFL is the fourth highest attended sports league in the world.
          1) NFL - average attendance 67,405
          2) German Football League - 43,458
          3) EPL - 38,168
          4) AFL - 36,637

          The NRL is 10,687!!! Also interesting is home many EPL teams have stadiums with capacity in low-mid twenties.
          "I'll acknowledge there are more talented teams in the competition but I won't acknowledge that there is a better team in the competition" Paul Roos March 2005

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          • mcs
            Travelling Swannie!!
            • Jul 2007
            • 8161

            Originally posted by sharp9
            Side note of interest…The AFL is the fourth highest attended sports league in the world.
            1) NFL - average attendance 67,405
            2) German Football League - 43,458
            3) EPL - 38,168
            4) AFL - 36,637

            The NRL is 10,687!!! Also interesting is home many EPL teams have stadiums with capacity in low-mid twenties.
            EPL has a lot of clubs now with big stadiums however - Manchester United (76K) Tottenham (62K), West Ham (60K), Arsenal (60K) Manchester City (55K), Liverpool (54K), Newcastle (53K), which offsets some of the smaller clubs I guess.
            "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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            • wolftone57
              Veterans List
              • Aug 2008
              • 5851

              I can't get away from him even in Laos

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              • The Big Cat
                On the veteran's list
                • Apr 2006
                • 2354

                Originally posted by sharp9
                Side note of interest…The AFL is the fourth highest attended sports league in the world.
                1) NFL - average attendance 67,405
                2) German Football League - 43,458
                3) EPL - 38,168
                4) AFL - 36,637

                The NRL is 10,687!!! Also interesting is home many EPL teams have stadiums with capacity in low-mid twenties.
                When you take into account the relative populations, the AFL is way ahead.
                Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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                • Aprilbr
                  Senior Player
                  • Oct 2016
                  • 1803

                  Originally posted by The Big Cat
                  When you take into account the relative populations, the AFL is way ahead.
                  I think averages can be pretty deceiving when looking at these things. Looking at the relative size of each EPL team's stadiums, a huge disparity is apparent as newly promoted teams like Brentford have small stadiums. Median is probably better.

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                  • sharp9
                    Senior Player
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 2508

                    Yeah that was kinda my point.
                    "I'll acknowledge there are more talented teams in the competition but I won't acknowledge that there is a better team in the competition" Paul Roos March 2005

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                    • KTigers
                      Senior Player
                      • Apr 2012
                      • 2499

                      Originally posted by The Big Cat
                      When you take into account the relative populations, the AFL is way ahead.
                      Not really. There is very little in it. England's population is 54 million, ours just under 26 million. You have to take into account that
                      there are 380 games in an EPL season (total attendance 14.5 million) and 198 in the AFL home-and-away season (total attendance
                      7.25 million). So basically England has double our population and double our total attendance at games. They are however better at
                      producing great rock bands than us, but our weather is better than theirs. Their rail network is better than ours but our beer tastes
                      better. Our golf courses and theirs are on par overall I would say. So it's a toss up really between the two countries in so many respects.

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                      • mcs
                        Travelling Swannie!!
                        • Jul 2007
                        • 8161

                        Originally posted by Aprilbr
                        I think averages can be pretty deceiving when looking at these things. Looking at the relative size of each EPL team's stadiums, a huge disparity is apparent as newly promoted teams like Brentford have small stadiums. Median is probably better.
                        I'd suspect median for the EPL might still tell broadly the same story.
                        - 5 grounds < 30K
                        - 6 grounds 30K - 40K
                        - 2 grounds 40K - 50K
                        - 7 grounds >50K

                        Given they have such high average % attendances to capacity, then median likely to lie somewhere near the average capacity size.
                        "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                        • Aprilbr
                          Senior Player
                          • Oct 2016
                          • 1803

                          I just looked at the link below which lists all EPL grounds, ranked by crowd capacities. The median is Everton at just shy of 40,000.

                          Premier League Stadium Capacity 2021/22 - Sports Ball Blog

                          So our beloved game holds up well! Our ticket prices are much lower too as we sensibly have a salary cap of sorts and so our top players don't earn obscene amounts unlike soccer. Buddy at his highest earnt A$1.6 million, Lionel Messi at PSG is estimated to earn well over US$40 million this season and Ronaldo at Manchester United is on £26.5 million!

                          Lionel Messi PSG salary: How much does he make per hour, day, week, month, and year?

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                          • The Big Cat
                            On the veteran's list
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 2354

                            Originally posted by Aprilbr
                            So our beloved game holds up well! Our ticket prices are much lower too as we sensibly have a salary cap of sorts and so our top players don't earn obscene amounts unlike soccer. Buddy at his highest earnt A$1.6 million, Lionel Messi at PSG is estimated to earn well over US$40 million this season and Ronaldo at Manchester United is on £26.5 million.
                            And they don’t even have to use their hands. They have one skill - kicking a round ball.
                            Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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                            • Nico
                              Veterans List
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 11336

                              Originally posted by Aprilbr
                              It sounds like he wants the AFL to go the way of the English Premier League and have a small number of clubs with much more revenue than the rest due to wealthy owners and large supporter bases dominating the competition each year.
                              Sounds like he is trying to get ahead of his fear of failure. To even suggest McGuire on the AFL Board is tantamount to trying to rig the competition.
                              http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                              • Aprilbr
                                Senior Player
                                • Oct 2016
                                • 1803

                                Originally posted by The Big Cat
                                And they don’t even have to use their hands. They have one skill - kicking a round ball.
                                Its actually a very skilful game and includes heading as well. I think a lot of modern trends in AFL have borrowed from tactics used in topline soccer eg building a wall of defenders right out from the box who take away all of the space from attackers and adding outriders to bring the ball straight back in if defenders try to clear the ball. Sounds like Richmond and the Dees to me! We know coaches like Clarko have spent plenty of time studying these tactics and even spent their off-season visiting these fabled clubs. This cross-fertilisation of ideas and tactics across Codes will continue as things become more professional.

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