2022 Captaincy - Leadership Group changes?

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  • KSAS
    Senior Player
    • Mar 2018
    • 1785

    Swans chat 2022 Captaincy - Leadership Group changes?

    Will there be any changes made to our Captaincy and Leadership Group this year?

    With 2022 likely to be Josh Kennedy's final year (sadly), i'm anticipating he'll relinquish his co-captaincy role but remain in the leadership group. My hunch is either Callum Mills or Jake Lloyd will take his spot, with Mills being my preference.

    Whilst acknowledging the co-captaincy model has served us well, I personally think this is a good time to revert to the traditional single captaincy model for a period due to Luke Parker imo beng such a standout and in peak of his career, who lifts our team more than any other when needed. Mills would be my Vice Captain. I know this won't happen and most would prefer continuation of the co-captaincy model.

    I'm also anticipating Isaac Heeney will be promoted into the Leadership Group. Not sure if he'll replace any of the existing 8 (Parker, Kennedy, Rampe, Franklin, Papley, Cunningham, Mills & Lloyd) or if he'll be just an addition.
  • NeonBible
    Warming the Bench
    • Mar 2021
    • 280

    #2
    Interesting discussion. We should be finding out soon enough - clubs typically announce their leadership groups sporadically over the pre-season and the practice matches are just over a few months away.

    Rampe and Kennedy might be in their final years. I think they will relinquish their co-captaincies, and Parker & Mills, our two standout players and leaders from the middle in 2021 will be our two captains. It has been written that Mills will captain this club, and what better time to do so than after a year leading our Brownlow votes!!

    Papley will remain, as will Franklin. Cunningham also likely - it seems Harry has really blossomed into a fine leader!

    Lloyd might've been a leader of circumstance. Post-2020 season .. we lacked senior players, we were in the COVID hub .. he stepped up when he needed to. He is not as needed now as the list is in a different place, and as a new father, may have other priorities.. he could give his position up.

    Heeney i will guess will want to focus on his individual priorities .. getting fit, adapting to a new role in the mids.

    A surprise may come in the form of a young gun being promoted.. young Errol Gulden has 'future captain' written all over him.. he already seems a born leader .. mature beyond his years and his teammates seem to respond so well to him .. Justin McInerney could also be recognised for this reason .. he is like Paps was a few years ago .. a crowd favourite who doesn't scream 'leader' in the traditional sense, but who his teammates love and are inspired by. I wouldn't under-estimate Ollie, either. He is frequently given media responsibilities, is coming into his prime now as an athlete, and finished top 10 in the best & fairest which shows how highly he is regarded!!

    Definitely believe one of those 3 youngsters will be elevated .. we have an evolving list that is charging into the future and our leadership group will reflect that, with Joey and Dane sticking around to provide their invaluable wisdom!

    CHEER CHEER

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    • i'm-uninformed2
      Reefer Madness
      • Oct 2003
      • 4653

      #3
      I think there's a consensus Joey will likely step down - though if he doesn't, no skin of my nose. He comfortably sits among the greats of this club. But the transition to Mills seems natural. It's then a question of whether Ramps goes round again or not.

      I'm not sure re Heeney. This is not a knock on him, but some blokes seem happier without that pressure, and he strikes me as that kind of guy. Wasn't he in the leadership group a few years back, then went out?

      Someone above mentioned McInerney, and I reckon the comparison to someone like Paps is a great call.

      As for Gulden, he'll be there one day but don't do that to a second year player. And Ollie should be more focused on being a must-have first 22 player. With our new depth, that's not a 100 percent given right now.
      'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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      • Aprilbr
        Senior Player
        • Oct 2016
        • 1803

        #4
        Originally posted by NeonBible
        Interesting discussion. We should be finding out soon enough - clubs typically announce their leadership groups sporadically over the pre-season and the practice matches are just over a few months away.

        Rampe and Kennedy might be in their final years. I think they will relinquish their co-captaincies, and Parker & Mills, our two standout players and leaders from the middle in 2021 will be our two captains. It has been written that Mills will captain this club, and what better time to do so than after a year leading our Brownlow votes!!

        Papley will remain, as will Franklin. Cunningham also likely - it seems Harry has really blossomed into a fine leader!

        Lloyd might've been a leader of circumstance. Post-2020 season .. we lacked senior players, we were in the COVID hub .. he stepped up when he needed to. He is not as needed now as the list is in a different place, and as a new father, may have other priorities.. he could give his position up.

        Heeney i will guess will want to focus on his individual priorities .. getting fit, adapting to a new role in the mids.

        A surprise may come in the form of a young gun being promoted.. young Errol Gulden has 'future captain' written all over him.. he already seems a born leader .. mature beyond his years and his teammates seem to respond so well to him .. Justin McInerney could also be recognised for this reason .. he is like Paps was a few years ago .. a crowd favourite who doesn't scream 'leader' in the traditional sense, but who his teammates love and are inspired by. I wouldn't under-estimate Ollie, either. He is frequently given media responsibilities, is coming into his prime now as an athlete, and finished top 10 in the best & fairest which shows how highly he is regarded!!

        Definitely believe one of those 3 youngsters will be elevated .. we have an evolving list that is charging into the future and our leadership group will reflect that, with Joey and Dane sticking around to provide their invaluable wisdom!

        CHEER CHEER
        If we are thinking prospects for leadership amongst the younger brigade, I think Rowbottom is a real chance. He seems to exhibit those characteristics on the field and have a lot of respect amongst his peers. I would imagine that TheBloods, would bristle at the thought.

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        • stevoswan
          Veterans List
          • Sep 2014
          • 8548

          #5
          Originally posted by Aprilbr
          If we are thinking prospects for leadership amongst the younger brigade, I think Rowbottom is a real chance. He seems to exhibit those characteristics on the field and have a lot of respect amongst his peers.
          I was thinking the same thing. He's a senior 'young gun' now, is very confident with media (good communicator) and onfield he has a lot of ROK about him IMO. As long as his footy holds up, he would be a definite future candidate for the leadership group.

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          • Auntie.Gerald
            Veterans List
            • Oct 2009
            • 6474

            #6
            when ever watching training or being closer down to the fence at a game Rampe and PArker seem to be the spiritual leaders

            Mills not far behind.
            "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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            • Redsmith720
              On the Rookie List
              • Jan 2022
              • 3

              #7
              Thats cool its a fact!!

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              • i'm-uninformed2
                Reefer Madness
                • Oct 2003
                • 4653

                #8
                It's now official that Mills is in, with JPK stepping back to be just a member of the leadership group - with Bud, Paps and Harry C the other three in there.

                Mills has long been a captain in waiting so major kudos to him, and we should all bend the knee on a daily basis to be thankful to JPK for being one of the great Swans.

                Mills joins Parker and Rampe as Sydney co-captains
                'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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                • dejavoodoo44
                  Veterans List
                  • Apr 2015
                  • 8565

                  #9
                  Originally posted by i'm-uninformed2
                  It's now official that Mills is in, with JPK stepping back to be just a member of the leadership group - with Bud, Paps and Harry C the other three in there.

                  Mills has long been a captain in waiting so major kudos to him, and we should all bend the knee on a daily basis to be thankful to JPK for being one of the great Swans.

                  Mills joins Parker and Rampe as Sydney co-captains
                  Sort of sad that Kennedy is stepping down, but Mills should be an excellent replacement.
                  I wonder which of the co-captains, will get to be captain on grand final day?

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                  • bloodspirit
                    Clubman
                    • Apr 2015
                    • 4448

                    #10
                    Originally posted by dejavoodoo44
                    Sort of sad that Kennedy is stepping down, but Mills should be an excellent replacement.
                    My sentiments too.
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                    • stevoswan
                      Veterans List
                      • Sep 2014
                      • 8548

                      #11
                      He's a beast.....and all class.

                      Mic'ed Up: Josh Kennedy to step down as captain - YouTube
                      Last edited by stevoswan; 2 February 2022, 09:56 PM.

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                      • Goal Sneak
                        Out of Bounds on the Full
                        • Jun 2006
                        • 653

                        #12
                        Originally posted by stevoswan
                        it's illegal to walk around wielding guns like that

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                        • Bangalore Swans
                          Suspended by the MRP
                          • Mar 2021
                          • 1049

                          #13
                          I’m not across leadership matters at the club so would appreciate the insight into this question:

                          Why isn’t Heeney in the leadership group and why doesn’t the club see him as captaincy material?

                          He seems like a guy who would inspire you with brilliance or a big physical hit. He looks like he would be first in if a physical fight ensued. He’s the clubs most talented player apart from Franklin.

                          The club flog his image (along with Franklin) for all it’s worth.

                          Does anyone who knows Heeney know his feelings on leadership? Does he want leadership?

                          They have Papley in the leadership group who gave away three umpire abuse free kicks last year. It’s not leadership in my opinion when you put the ball in the opposition’s hands three times through petulant behaviour.

                          Where is Heeney?

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                          • Aprilbr
                            Senior Player
                            • Oct 2016
                            • 1803

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Bangalore Swans
                            I’m not across leadership matters at the club so would appreciate the insight into this question:

                            Why isn’t Heeney in the leadership group and why doesn’t the club see him as captaincy material?

                            He seems like a guy who would inspire you with brilliance or a big physical hit. He looks like he would be first in if a physical fight ensued. He’s the clubs most talented player apart from Franklin.

                            The club flog his image (along with Franklin) for all it’s worth.

                            Does anyone who knows Heeney know his feelings on leadership? Does he want leadership?

                            They have Papley in the leadership group who gave away three umpire abuse free kicks last year. It’s not leadership in my opinion when you put the ball in the opposition’s hands three times through petulant behaviour.

                            Where is Heeney?
                            Great Captains are often not the best player in the team. However, they make up for this by displayng attributes that others look up to and are able to set standards on and off the field. Garry Ablett Snr was one of the most naturally gifted players to ever play AFL but he never captained Geelong. Plugger never captained St Kilda or us. Dusty is not Richmond Captain. I could go on ...

                            Mills clearly has great leadership attributes and the respect of his team mates. He is also a might fine player!

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                            • goswannies
                              Senior Player
                              • Sep 2007
                              • 3049

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Bangalore Swans
                              I’m not across leadership matters at the club so would appreciate the insight into this question:

                              Why isn’t Heeney in the leadership group and why doesn’t the club see him as captaincy material?

                              He seems like a guy who would inspire you with brilliance or a big physical hit. He looks like he would be first in if a physical fight ensued. He’s the clubs most talented player apart from Franklin.

                              The club flog his image (along with Franklin) for all it’s worth.

                              Does anyone who knows Heeney know his feelings on leadership? Does he want leadership?

                              They have Papley in the leadership group who gave away three umpire abuse free kicks last year. It’s not leadership in my opinion when you put the ball in the opposition’s hands three times through petulant behaviour.

                              Where is Heeney?
                              Papley wasn’t even in our top 5 for frees against last season and Buddy, Parker and Rampe were all above him.
                              Last edited by goswannies; 3 February 2022, 12:06 AM.

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