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  • SimonH
    Salt future's rising
    • Aug 2004
    • 1647

    #16
    Re: 2006 best 22

    Originally posted by swans05
    what does everyone think our team will look like next year i reckon
    B: C.Bolton L.Barry B.Mathews
    HB: T.Kennelly L.Roberts-Thomson J.Crouch
    C: P.Williams J.Bolton N.Fosdike
    HF: R.O'Keefe B.Hall A.Goodes
    F: N.Davis M.O'Loughlin A.Buchanan
    R: D.Jolly B.Kirk L.Ablett
    INT: N.Malceski S.Dempster A.Schneider P.Chambers
    EMG: P.Bevan L.Vogels J.McVeigh

    any thoughts?
    Pretty close. A lot of people will say 'don't mess with a winning formula', but my view is that other teams will be evolving (and looking closely at our 2005 game tapes), so we need to evolve a little, too. Leaving out the emergencies (any one of 10 or more players could qualify, and I suspect that they rotate them just to encourage players in the 2nds), I'd try as follows:

    B: C Bolton, T Richards, J Crouch
    HB: T Kennelly, L Roberts-Thomson, L Barry
    C: A Goodes, J Bolton, N Fosdike
    HF: R O'Keefe, B Hall, P Williams
    F: N Davis, M O'Loughlin, L Ablett
    R: D Jolly, B Kirk, A Buchanan
    INT: A Schneider, B Mathews, S Dempster, P Chambers.

    Notes:
    1. At this stage, I don't know whether T Richards will have what it takes to play on big opposition full-forwards immediately in 2006. That will depend on what he shows in the off-season and the pre-season. But I agree with NMW that allowing Leo to play away from the opposition's gorilla will not just improve our run out of defence-- it will elongate the career of this chronic overachiever. The fact that he hasn't missed more games through injury is testament both to his extraordinary resilience, and the fact that the football gods have kept smiling on him. Which may not happen forever.
    2. The defence is tailored to an average-sized attack. Against a monster attack Dempster would be swung into action (with maybe Crouch on the wing and Fossie starting on the pine), and against a smaller one Mathews would start on the park.
    3. I would love to see J McVeigh (among others) in this team, as I think he's the natural successor to Paul Williams that we will need so badly in 2007. But who do you boot? I couldn't find anyone.
    4. As a reserve defensive midfielder/defender, I would prefer to see P Bevan on the pine and B Mathews out of the side (tough, I know, but getting into this team is tough). But given the selectors' proven attitude over the years, dumping Mathews would lie in the realm of fantasy rather than realistic selecting.
    5. I'm aware that having 3 inside midfielders at centre bounces may not be ideal, but centre bounces are more about getting the pill (and if necessary jamming it on your boot at random) than doing it prettily. These are our 3 best ball-winners. The players with more finesse will come in from the wings, rotate through the middle during the course of the game, and at least one of them will follow the stoppages.
    6. Despite their selected locations, Williams would rotate with N Fosdike in the 'outside midfielder' role. Ablett would play more of a HFF role in a team where O'Loughlin, Davis and (when he drops back) BBBH will usually have dibs on the final line of attack. (Ablett surprised everyone in 2005 by showing he has the potential to be a very good footballer-- but he ain't a midfielder, is unlikely to ever be one, and we don't need more midfielders at the moment anyway.)
    7. Where Goodes plays in the selected team can almost be plucked at random (as long as it isn't defence). He continues to play the '20 tonne elephant' role that he played successfully in 2005 (i.e. Where does he go? Wherever he wants to).
    8. Absolutely line-ball as to whether Chambers or Doyle gets the 2nd ruck spot at the moment. Don't have a clue. We'll see how the 2 of them go over the next 5 months.

    The number of small(ish) young midfielders knocking on the door means that unless we're struck down by utterly chronic injuries, I'm sorry to say that if Fixter and Sundqvist make it to 2006, it's very hard to see them making it to 2007.

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    • barry
      Veterans List
      • Jan 2003
      • 8499

      #17
      I cant see our Best 22 changing much from the grand final side other than:
      Out: Ball, Bevan. In: Doyle, Vogels/Malceski

      But I'd love to see Davis (into midfield) swap with Williams (into half forward flank).

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      • Go Swannies
        Veterans List
        • Sep 2003
        • 5697

        #18
        This is the way the coaching staff (not just Roos) judge the team's best players so, no Ben isn't going to start on the bench - unless it's going to be with Jared and Tiger behind him.

        CLUB CHAMPION TOP TEN

        Barry Hall 466 votes
        Brett Kirk 432
        Leo Barry 382
        Ryan O?Keefe 370
        Jude Bolton 363
        Ben Mathews 355
        Jared Crouch 351
        Tadhg Kennelly 303
        Jason Ball 288
        Stuart Maxfield 285

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        • SimonH
          Salt future's rising
          • Aug 2004
          • 1647

          #19
          Originally posted by Go Swannies
          This is the way the coaching staff (not just Roos) judge the team's best players so, no Ben isn't going to start on the bench - unless it's going to be with Jared and Tiger behind him.

          CLUB CHAMPION TOP TEN

          Barry Hall 466 votes
          Brett Kirk 432
          Leo Barry 382
          Ryan O?Keefe 370
          Jude Bolton 363
          Ben Mathews 355
          Jared Crouch 351
          Tadhg Kennelly 303
          Jason Ball 288
          Stuart Maxfield 285
          Obviously the above is 2004. Not being a smartarse, but genuinely wondering whether the full list (or even a top 10) of players & points for 2005 B&F has been published anywhere. I can't seem to find it.

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          • Go Swannies
            Veterans List
            • Sep 2003
            • 5697

            #20
            Originally posted by SimonH
            Obviously the above is 2004. Not being a smartarse, but genuinely wondering whether the full list (or even a top 10) of players & points for 2005 B&F has been published anywhere. I can't seem to find it.
            Sorry, my fault. I posted while working on something else so just did a quick search and post from the Swans website. There was a list posted here just after the night, I recall.

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            • Magic Man
              On the Rookie List
              • Sep 2005
              • 44

              #21
              Re: 2006 best 22

              Originally posted by swans05
              what does everyone think our team will look like next year i reckon
              B: C.Bolton L.Barry B.Mathews
              HB: T.Kennelly L.Roberts-Thomson J.Crouch
              C: P.Williams J.Bolton N.Fosdike
              HF: R.O'Keefe B.Hall A.Goodes
              F: N.Davis M.O'Loughlin A.Buchanan
              R: D.Jolly B.Kirk L.Ablett
              INT: N.Malceski S.Dempster A.Schneider P.Chambers
              EMG: P.Bevan L.Vogels J.McVeigh

              any thoughts?
              Thats pretty good - you can do these all day - its great fun - so many different options, here is mine for those interested

              B: C.Bolton L.Barry S.Dempster
              HB: T kennelly L. Roberts-Thomson P.Williams
              C: A.Goodes J.Bolton J.Crouch
              HF: R.O'Keefe B.Hall L.Ablett
              F: N.Davis M.O'Loughlin N.Fosdike
              R: D.Jolly B.Kirk A.Buchanan
              INT: A.Schneider S.Doyle B.Mathews J.McVeigh
              EMG: P.Bevan N.Malceski T.Richards

              Although it ideally depends on the matchups - for instance Crouchy would definetely play back on the likes of milne but then be released to play a midfield role against the lions and his nemisis Aker - However I think his pace and carry with the ball would be a great asset to have in the midfield - hence the reason I have put him there.

              Having said that, it seems to be policy that a younger player gets given greater responsibility and therefore plays all the games in the year (whether through luck or just plain coincidence)

              ie 2003 - Schneids and LRT
              2004 - Macca and Noggy
              2005 - Dempster and Buchy

              So I dare say the same may well happen in 2006
              Maybe Vogels and Malceski would be the candidates.

              I would also think that Roos will be keen to give "Super ted" as he has been touted plenty of game time down back during the year as well - not too sure who he would displaced from the top 22 though. But I will say he will be there by years end.

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              • big bear
                Bleed Red and White
                • Jun 2005
                • 256

                #22
                Re: 2006 best 22

                Originally posted by swans05
                what does everyone think our team will look like next year i reckon
                B: C.Bolton L.Barry B.Mathews
                HB: T.Kennelly L.Roberts-Thomson J.Crouch
                C: P.Williams J.Bolton N.Fosdike
                HF: R.O'Keefe B.Hall A.Goodes
                F: N.Davis M.O'Loughlin A.Buchanan
                R: D.Jolly B.Kirk L.Ablett
                INT: N.Malceski S.Dempster A.Schneider P.Chambers
                EMG: P.Bevan L.Vogels J.McVeigh

                any thoughts?
                Looks good but throw Richards into mix. Final 22 ,if all fit, may alter according to opposition and required matchups. Flexibility and depth are very important. I take it you are assuming Doyle will be injured again and miss most of the season. A shame but likely on past records.
                SYDNEY SWANS.....THE GREATEST FOOTBALL CLUB IN LIVING MEMORY.

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                • Bleed Red Blood
                  Senior Player
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 2057

                  #23
                  Hopefully this will be the team in R22;

                  FB:...Dempster...Richards...CBolton
                  HB:...Leo...LRT...Kennelly
                  CE:...Crouch...JBolton...Goodes
                  HF:...Fosdike..Hall..O'Keefe
                  FF:...Williams...O'Loughlin...Buchanen
                  RU:..Jolly...Kirk...Davis
                  BE:..Mathews..Ablett..Schneider..Doyle

                  At the end of the year, if Davis isn't a full time midfielder, Richards our number one choice at FB, and either Doyle or Chambers a definite best twenty two player, I'll be dissapointed.

                  No place for Bevan, McVeigh, Spriggs and Chambers, who have all played thirty plus games.

                  No place for Fixter, Sunqvist, Moore, Malkeski and Vogels who have all played about ten.

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                  • swans05
                    On the Rookie List
                    • Sep 2005
                    • 385

                    #24
                    yeah when posting the team i just assumed doyle would be injured but i think chambers maybe more agile than doyle after all his injuries so id give him the number 2 job ahead of doyle anyway see what he can do
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