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  • singaporeswan
    Fandom of Fabulousness
    • Oct 2003
    • 4220

    #16
    I waver on this frequently.

    The rotating captaincy seems to have helped spread the responsibility for performance across a whole group of people. If one guys down - the rest can step up. Every player goes through form slumps and maybe sharing the responsibility helps take the pressure off individuals.

    Rotating captaincy also might mean there is a leadership group on the field at all times - with our interchanges - this may not always be the case if we had a single captain.

    Something I won't forget is Baz running back to the huddle after the coin toss - the looks on the boys faces teams faces as they waited for him to join them......when I watch this on the replay I realise that if I had seen this on the day from my seat I would have had no doubt that we would win (or maybe not as many....)

    I think Kirky is a champion and continually sets a great example but I can't see him running over to Goldspink with a commanding presence asking about the free-kick count.

    If it's a choice between Hall and Kirk - I'd vote for Hall.

    However, I think Goodesy/Jude would be good - if we are going with a single Captain lets pick one who will be around for a while and have the opportunity to build a Kel-like legacy!

    Good job it's not me making the decision!

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    • big bear
      Bleed Red and White
      • Jun 2005
      • 256

      #17
      Kirk then daylight. Kirk was the one who rallied the troops even when not captain. He is on the ball and has a greater idea of how the whole game is going. Hall is a great player but this does not necessarily translate into captaincy. Leave the captain pressure off him and he will probably benefit in the long run.
      SYDNEY SWANS.....THE GREATEST FOOTBALL CLUB IN LIVING MEMORY.

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      • lwoggardner
        Warming the Bench
        • Aug 2005
        • 141

        #18
        There are two roles for captain - public face of the team and on-field leader.

        BBBH is clearly the favourite for public face of the team, while Kirk the happy Bhuddist is much more in the rev them up when the chips are down out in the middle mold.

        So my feeling is they will name Baz as captain for the media/coin-toss routine but will continue with the "leadership group" concept and Kirk will continue to play a starring role in the dressing rooms and in the quarter/3 quarter time huddles.

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        • Slick Swans
          On the Rookie List
          • May 2003
          • 207

          #19
          My Choice is a clear KIRK, for two clear reasons:

          1. The rallying the troops thing, i believe we wouldn't have gotten past that game had it not been for that.

          and

          2. Bazza, in my opinion threw away the captaincy when the threw his right fist at Matt McGuire's guts, silly, undiciplined act for a captain in a preliminary final.
          "Red and White for blood cells, Red and White for wine."
          "They could be the whole damn spectrum, if you just damn let them"

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          • Rizzo
            On the Rookie List
            • Jan 2003
            • 655

            #20
            Kirk.

            Maintain the leadership group.

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            • Sanecow
              Suspended by the MRP
              • Mar 2003
              • 6917

              #21
              Originally posted by Slick Swans
              2. Bazza, in my opinion threw away the captaincy when the threw his right fist at Matt McGuire's guts, silly, undiciplined act for a captain in a preliminary final.
              Pfft.

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              • Tuesday
                On the Rookie List
                • May 2005
                • 890

                #22
                I would like to see Kirk as captain, though I am quite happy to accept any of the leadership group. Well, those without the last name Matthews.

                I thought they all did well this season, albeit some were more noticible than others. IIRC, the commentators were rabbiting on about Kirk being the captain in the final H&A match, but wasn't Leo?

                I think Kirk, whether official caller of the coin toss or not, will still be in charge of rallying the troops. Position filled.

                I trust Roosy with my life. Well, not really. Just with my team.
                And you can't find nothing at all,
                If there was nothing there all along.

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                • westernswan
                  On the Rookie List
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 222

                  #23
                  LRT ...*akward silence*
                  2004 - SUBIACO
                  2005 - SYDNEY
                  2006 - SUBIACO
                  2007 - ?????


                  * Perth Glory till i die *

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                  • anniswan
                    Footy Mother Big Time
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 2031

                    #24
                    Already said it previously

                    3 Captains Back, Forward and Centre

                    Leo Barry
                    Kirk
                    Barry Hall

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                    • Sanecow
                      Suspended by the MRP
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 6917

                      #25
                      Originally posted by anniswan
                      Already said it previously

                      3 Captains Back, Forward and Centre

                      Leo Barry
                      Kirk
                      Barry Hall
                      Mostly three Captains up back.

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                      • punter257
                        Deadliest Left Boot
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 1660

                        #26
                        hall will get it as he's the PREMIERSHIP captain and i can't see him getting the chop after this.

                        i reckon by making hall the captain for the finals, it was a decision for the next few years at least

                        even though kirky is a great candidate...............
                        Roosy = LEGEND

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                        • Go Swannies
                          Veterans List
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 5697

                          #27
                          But Hall wasn't made the captain. It was simply his turn in the rotation and the players told Roos they did not want to change captains during the finals. So it was his by default. He said he went and individually asked each member of the leadership group if they were happy with that and only when they all agreed did he accept it.

                          The rotating leadership was either a stroke of brilliance or a very lucky break as all the captains developed into the roll. But it's now time for the club to make the decision as to who will be the captain. Roos has stated that he's considered continuing the rotating captancy but doesn't think he will.

                          I think that they will conclude that the natural leader in the group is Brett Kirk. But the leadership group will continue and you may see more shared moves - like Kirk speaking to the team during Baz' captaincy at 3/4 time in the Cats final.

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                          • goswannie14
                            Leadership Group
                            • Sep 2005
                            • 11166

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Go Swannies


                            I think that they will conclude that the natural leader in the group is Brett Kirk. But the leadership group will continue and you may see more shared moves - like Kirk speaking to the team during Baz' captaincy at 3/4 time in the Cats final.
                            And the PF.....and the GF...all at 3/4 time.

                            I think Baz makes a good face for the captaincy, but a real leader doesn't need the title of captain as Kirky has proved.

                            But I do like the sound of Captain Kirk
                            Does God believe in Atheists?

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                            • EMJ
                              Go Swans Always
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 1076

                              #29
                              I like co-captaincy with Hall and Kirk. I can't split them and think they work well as co-captains - proff with the premiership.
                              Love those Swans

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                              • TheHood
                                On the Rookie List
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 1938

                                #30
                                Originally posted by westernswan
                                LRT ...*akward silence*
                                tumble weed roles past

                                "I'll get me coat"
                                The Pain of Discipline is Nothing Like The Pain of Disappointment

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