Warfe

[NS20]

Most of you either have short memories or maybe you just jumped on the bandwagon since the swans made the Gf back in 96. Rowan IS a class player and there IS a reason whhy Roos is playing him each week. Those of you who were around a while ago will remember just how valuable Rowan was to our team when he was firing and with a little more game time just how valuable he will be again. How you can expect him to comeback from injuries like hes had and be BOG instantly is beyond me..... Why dont you all stop bagging the bloke, give him a chance and put some trust in the people who are running the team??????

[TheHood]

You're a harsh man Penga. Can't even give him that kick. I didn't think it floated out of control and Mick didn't have to move all that much and the reason why Brennan was out of position was because it all happened way too quickly for him. Warfey kept it moving quickly and did the job and that is undeniable.

I'm not president of the Warfe fan club and almost everything he has done has not impressed me, but geesh, give the guy a break, we don't have the alternatives at the moment.

If I was a betting man, I bet he does his job very well this week because he has improved with each outing (starting from a very low base admittedly).

[footyhead]

God there are a lot of bleeding hearts amoungst the swans follower. It's probabley why we haven't done so well over the years.
I do think warfe has reached his use by date, but as long as we keep on turning over a new kid every few weeks, and that the kids who actually find form are kept in the team, ( as seems to be happening now) then I don't mind if Roos and Co keep the likes of Rowan in for a while.
wether it be for sentimental reasons, or team psychology reasons - fair enough. But if he starts getting in the way of in form young players I will be pissed off.
This is the same reasoning that made Nicks come back through the seconds. A good footy team is one where everybody is earning their place and also where there are no passengers along for the ride ! Especially not middle aged mediocre ones like Warfe.

[bricon]

Some people may be interested in the views of an insider on players like Rowan Warfe. The following quote is from Jared Crouch's OptusNet newsletter this week.

I would like to give special mention to those players who don't get all the glory and that is our defenders. This group including Leo Barry, Jason Saddington, Andrew Schauble, Ben Mathews, Craig Bolton and <b>Rowan Warfe</b>. They have been the backbone of the team.

[Emphasis mine]

[footyhead]

Imagine if we could remove R. Warfes name from that list and replace it with a Leppitch or a fletcher or somthing comprable to them.
Come on, as Roos said last year "...we may find that kind of player within the club''; but warfe sure isn't it . that should be obvious to evrybody and that is all any of us who are critizising him are saying. move over (when the time is right ) and let the next real Full back Or center Half back for our team emerge. And emerge they will !
But they wont if they are kept out of the team by dead wood. In the same way that the next great midfielder for the swans won't emerge if Frosty is playing their week in week out. These guys have had their time. We need to improve and now is the time to do it.

[Plugger46]

Originally posted by footyhead
Imagine if we could remove R. Warfes name from that list and replace it with a Leppitch or a fletcher or somthing comprable to them.
Come on, as Roos said last year "...we may find that kind of player within the club''; but warfe sure isn't it . that should be obvious to evrybody and that is all any of us who are critizising him are saying. move over (when the time is right ) and let the next real Full back Or center Half back for our team emerge. And emerge they will !
But they wont if they are kept out of the team by dead wood. In the same way that the next great midfielder for the swans won't emerge if Frosty is playing their week in week out. These guys have had their time. We need to improve and now is the time to do it.

Footyhead,

Players such as Leppitsch and Fletcher don't come along everyday. To say that, we are going to find a player of their quality, is a bold statement, besides Warfe is a half-back flanker, not a key backman, so please inform me why you, are comparing them. The kids have plenty of time to come through, their development does not need to be rushed at this stage, they'll be there when they are ready. We are playing great footy at the moment, why change anything?

We cannot play a team of kids, there has to be a mix of mature footballers and up and comers, we need some sort of balance.

If you actually look at what Warfe has done this year, with limited opportunities, he's done absolutely nothing wrong as far as I'm concerned.

Maybe you should start reading between the lines, before writing off blokes.

By the way, any chance you could find a dictionary??

[Dpw]

Originally posted by Plugger46
Footyhead,

Players such as Leppitsch and Fletcher don't come along everyday. To say that, we are going to find a player of their quality, is a bold statement, besides Warfe is a half-back flanker, not a key backman, so please inform me why you, are comparing them. The kids have plenty of time to come through, their development does not need to be rushed at this stage, they'll be there when they are ready. We are playing great footy at the moment, why change anything?

We cannot play a team of kids, there has to be a mix of mature footballers and up and comers, we need some sort of balance.

If you actually look at what Warfe has done this year, with limited opportunities, he's done absolutely nothing wrong as far as I'm concerned.

Maybe you should start reading between the lines, before writing off blokes.

By the way, any chance you could find a dictionary??

Hey buddy keep the arguments to the footy personal attacks aren't wanted and detracts from your argument. Footyhead maybe like myself and suffer from dyslexia we all have a right to post as do you.

[footyhead]

Plugger 46.
I wasn't comparing warfe to those players , but merely that it would be good if we could drop him at the right time (soon hopfully) to make way for the possible emergence of that next great FB or CHB. We Don't need Warfe back there if we Get a FB or CHB. Cos we have plenty of players who can play half back flank already. What our team is crying out for is a Full Back and a Center Half Back.

[Plugger46]

Originally posted by footyhead
Plugger 46.
What our team is crying out for is a Full Back and a Center Half Back.

Totally agree with you on that statement. It's one of the only things we do lack, and i also agree with you on the fact that we have many players that can play off a half back-flank.
However i do believe you are under-selling Warfe, and I think Warfe is as good as the most of the options we have to run off the half back-flank, with the exception of a few.

By the way it wasn't a personal attack as dpw said it was, just another way of trying to voice my opinion.

Sorry if i offended anyone.

[penga]

you reak of LS

if we blood our next chb, this would mean that saddington could be played in his proper position on the flank rather than chb, so it is a necessity for the swans future to drop warfe and take a gamble with a tall fella... surely u cant say that the swans are going to build their all-conquering side around a hack like warfe

his kick was a floater, the only good thing was that it was quick... magic pushed brennan off the ball extremely early to take that mark

[Gunn]

Originally posted by Plugger46
Totally agree with you on that statement. It's one of the only things we do lack, and i also agree with you on the fact that we have many players that can play off a half back-flank.
However i do believe you are under-selling Warfe, and I think Warfe is as good as the most of the options we have to run off the half back-flank, with the exception of a few.

I absolutely agree that we need a good CHB and FB. They are the priority. The HBF positions are about the easiest positions to play and fill. That is why we have been able to get away with playing Rowan there. He is a spoiler and is very good at it when he is fit AND CONCENTRATING. The main problem with Rowan is that good teams need more that just a spoiler. The game has changed and many attacks now stem from the HB line with defenders running into attack and setting up attacking plays. It is here that Rowan's lack of skill and nous let him (and us) down. We simply can't progress to being a top side when a particular player so regularly turns the ball over with the result that instead of us kicking a score we have a score kicked against us. He is a sea anchor and his performance drags on the performance of the whole team. We just have to find someone better.

[Alison]

I believe that Warfe is contracted until the end of next year so he will be a Swan until then as I am sure no other teams would want him in a trade. So let's get behind Warfe and support him and give him a go.

[penga]

i dont think he will be on the list next season, we will be pretty tight numbers wise, ie on the senior list

we've got one retiree in cressa, which leaves two spots on the senior list... they will need more than two draft picks if they plan to rebuild

therefore warfe, mcpherson and seymour should get delisted, leaving 5 spots

we have quite a few spots on the rookie list do we not??? we will finally know if o'mahoney will want to play footy as well

[Plugger46]

Originally posted by Gunn
I absolutely agree that we need a good CHB and FB. They are the priority. The HBF positions are about the easiest positions to play and fill. That is why we have been able to get away with playing Rowan there. He is a spoiler and is very good at it when he is fit AND CONCENTRATING. The main problem with Rowan is that good teams need more that just a spoiler. The game has changed and many attacks now stem from the HB line with defenders running into attack and setting up attacking plays. It is here that Rowan's lack of skill and nous let him (and us) down. We simply can't progress to being a top side when a particular player so regularly turns the ball over with the result that instead of us kicking a score we have a score kicked against us. He is a sea anchor and his performance drags on the performance of the whole team. We just have to find someone better.

what about all the turnovers Leo causes?
Are they excused?
He turns the ball over more than anyone I've ever seen, he always runs on to the right side of his body, and he is a left footer, as he hasn't got a right foot, he just gets himself into trouble.
People talk about "nous", he has none of it.

[Plugger46]

Originally posted by penga
i dont think he will be on the list next season, we will be pretty tight numbers wise, ie on the senior list

we've got one retiree in cressa, which leaves two spots on the senior list... they will need more than two draft picks if they plan to rebuild

therefore warfe, mcpherson and seymour should get delisted, leaving 5 spots

we have quite a few spots on the rookie list do we not??? we will finally know if o'mahoney will want to play footy as well

You have a very short memory mate.
Why would you want to de-list Brad Seymour?
He played in our very best sides, and still isn't that old. He has had injuries as well this year. He will get back in the seniors this year sometime, when he is fully fit, I have no doubts.