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  • Lucky Knickers
    Fandom of Fabulousness
    • Oct 2003
    • 4220

    2006 Structure

    Watching games on FFC, I was wondering about the senior players on our list and who the heir apparents may be.

    With Willo in possibly his last year, who is going to be our midfield general? Assuming he will play more off HB?

    With Crouch and Matthews getting on - who gets groomed as the competitions Nbr 1 tagger? I thought this would be Ablett and don't want to judge his form on the job he has done on Judd but thought he looked a little slow?

    I haven't seen much live footy in the last few years so haven't had a lot of opportunity to see the young guys in action live.
  • goswannie14
    Leadership Group
    • Sep 2005
    • 11166

    #2
    Re: 2006 Structure

    Originally posted by singaporeswan
    With Crouch and Matthews getting on - who gets groomed as the competitions Nbr 1 tagger? I thought this would be Ablett and don't want to judge his form on the job he has done on Judd but thought he looked a little slow?
    To be fair to Luke Ablett, most footballers look slow aginst Judd. I don't like Judd as a footballer due to his consistently bad disposal, but his leg speed is second to none, it is like comparing apples and oranges when you compare the two.
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    • Bleed Red Blood
      Senior Player
      • Sep 2003
      • 2057

      #3
      I don't think Ablett will be a 'tagger' for much longer, except for the odd occasion.

      Mathews and Crouch aren't really get on, either. I think they are both only 26/7. Unless something major happens, I can see them both around in 2010 at the least.

      Bevan could be a tagger. If you really want.

      And yes, I hope Williams plays more across half back to give players like McVeigh, Malkeski and Dempster more opportunity in the guts where they will be needed post Willo.

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      • hammo
        Veterans List
        • Jul 2003
        • 5554

        #4
        Good thread.

        I'd envisage Ablett to play far more attacking roles from now on. Buchanan would be a likely 'general' based on his form in the second half of 2005. A fit Nick Davis will probably also spend far more time in the midfield.

        Roos has shown that he's prepared to use younger players coming into the team as his taggers, therefore our next main "defensive midfielder" could be out of Moore, Willoughby or Schmidt.
        "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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        • singaporeswan
          Fandom of Fabulousness
          • Oct 2003
          • 4220

          #5
          What about Fosdike? Watching some of the old games - his disposal is very smart and he seems to have a lot of time to use the ball.

          I understand Ablett had a knee injury (observed tape on knee) - how serious was it? Is he having surgery?

          Nick Davis seems to have improved tenfold. His 2nd/3rd efforts and willingness to chase the opposition down were really impressive this year.

          Re Crouch and Matthews - both turn 28 in 2006. What's the average age of a footballer? I would have thought the 32yo was the exception to the rule.

          Where does Kennelly fit?

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          • Magic Man
            On the Rookie List
            • Sep 2005
            • 44

            #6
            Re: 2006 Structure

            Originally posted by singaporeswan
            Watching games on FFC, I was wondering about the senior players on our list and who the heir apparents may be.

            With Willo in possibly his last year, who is going to be our midfield general? Assuming he will play more off HB?

            With Crouch and Matthews getting on - who gets groomed as the competitions Nbr 1 tagger? I thought this would be Ablett and don't want to judge his form on the job he has done on Judd but thought he looked a little slow?

            I haven't seen much live footy in the last few years so haven't had a lot of opportunity to see the young guys in action live.
            This is a good thread, I also think ablett will play a much more aggresive role next year, he is a good strong mark and has a booming kick. The tagging for the next few years will be left to Crouch,Dempster, Mathews and co - I really dont see any obvious personnel to fill this position. The obvious slot for the midfield is Fossie, he is extremely valuable to the team - loves the wide open spaces, and generally uses the ball very well.

            To be totally honest there really isn't alot of free spots in the midfield next year, Willo to HB seems like an obvious move, and then maybe Mathews and Crouch and perhaps Kennelly or Dempster on can go through the middle. I think our forward structure has worked wonders - so there really is no need to change it - just yet. Davis and Okeefe will play permanently down there with the rotation of one of Buchanan or schneider and Jolly or Doyle - works well for me.

            I dare say one of Willoughby, Scmidt, Malceski, McVeigh or Moore will be a permanent fixture in the midfield next year - having said that there may need to be room for the likes of Richards, Chambers, Vogels and Bevan.

            A very good prediciment to have.

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            • Bleed Red Blood
              Senior Player
              • Sep 2003
              • 2057

              #7
              Re: Re: 2006 Structure

              Originally posted by Magic Man
              This is a good thread, I also think ablett will play a much more aggresive role next year, he is a good strong mark and has a booming kick. The tagging for the next few years will be left to Crouch,Dempster, Mathews and co - I really dont see any obvious personnel to fill this position. The obvious slot for the midfield is Fossie, he is extremely valuable to the team - loves the wide open spaces, and generally uses the ball very well.
              I agree. We don't necessarily need a straight out tagger, it's very possible that our young midfielders will just do that for a couple of years before they are ready to become more attacking players. Port do this - Cassisi, K Cornes, Carr.

              Originally posted by Magic Man
              To be totally honest there really isn't alot of free spots in the midfield next year, Willo to HB seems like an obvious move, and then maybe Mathews and Crouch and perhaps Kennelly or Dempster on can go through the middle. I think our forward structure has worked wonders - so there really is no need to change it - just yet. Davis and Okeefe will play permanently down there with the rotation of one of Buchanan or schneider and Jolly or Doyle - works well for me.
              Davis MUST be a midfielder next year. At least seventy percent of the time. He should have the fitness next season (He's done the International rules, was playing hard, tough football a month longer than usual, and went the last half of the year uninjured. He's also doing his first pre-season in about five years uninjured) Fifteen kicks of his in the midfield will mean about three-four goals more. We need to be more attacking next year, absolute thrash some teams. Remind other clubs that we are the reigning premiers.

              And Buchanen should also be around the packs as often as possible. Look how well he did while Jude was out with his hammy.

              Originally posted by Magic Man
              I dare say one of Willoughby, Scmidt, Malceski, McVeigh or Moore will be a permanent fixture in the midfield next year - having said that there may need to be room for the likes of Richards, Chambers, Vogels and Bevan.

              A very good prediciment to have.
              It won't be a good situation next year. Looking ahead, Willo might retire, Erikson or Shaw might go backwards and the other develope so much that they are uneccesary. Other than that, I don't see anyone looking a likely 'delete'.

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              • stellation
                scott names the planets
                • Sep 2003
                • 9723

                #8
                Re: 2006 Structure

                Originally posted by singaporeswan
                With Willo in possibly his last year, who is going to be our midfield general? Assuming he will play more off HB?
                Nicky D is the man. If he is not given the role I will begin to suspect that Paul Roos favours drab, stoppage crazy, defensive football. I am certain that is not the case.
                I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                • Sanecow
                  Suspended by the MRP
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 6917

                  #9
                  I have a lot of very incredible things to say on this issue that would totally blow your mind but it's "heirs apparent," not "heir apparents" so I have chosen to boycott the discussion.

                  Please, continue.

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                  • stellation
                    scott names the planets
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 9723

                    #10
                    Damn you, you magnificent bastard.
                    I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                    We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                    • dimelb
                      pr. dim-melb; m not f
                      • Jun 2003
                      • 6889

                      #11
                      Who watched the twos often enough to answer this? I know Spriggs can't kick and can't handball (at least according to reports) but I know he can run. What I'd like to know is can he tackle? If the answer is yes, and he's fast, what is the club doing with him? If he has trouble reading a game, then minding someone else might be the go - it certainly helped LRT.
                      He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                      • Schneiderman
                        The Fourth Captain
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 1615

                        #12
                        I suspect Dempster may be the 'next big thing' at the club in 2006. Just like the way Bucky and Ablett moved their games to the next level, I think Sean will do the same. Roos will likely play him off half-back and as a defensive run-with player to build his fitness and 'footy-smarts'. His kicking skills and great speed also make him a potentially very good footballer, as long as he develops and keeps relatively injury-free.
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                        • penga
                          Senior Player
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 2601

                          #13
                          Re: Re: 2006 Structure

                          Originally posted by Magic Man
                          Willo to HB seems like an obvious move
                          Personally, I would like to see Willo move to the forward pocket. The early goals against St Kilda proved that he can play the role. Two things that are pivotal, IMO, that support this.

                          Firstly, ignoring the possibility of another player filling Barry's shoes at FB, the key to our backline is our tall flankers who can drop back and help out. Bolton (190cm), Dempster (192cm) and Kennelly (190cm) constantly drop back and fill the hole. Without these boys, Barry would be stuffed. Other options who rotate through there are all 6' and over such as Mathews (182cm). Willo's quality doesn't deserve back pocket and he isn't tall enough to carry CHB His drive from the HB line would be magnificent but would it be any better than the drive we already get?

                          About the only insightful thing that Robert Walls has ever said was in the Preliminary Final in the 4th quarter when Schneids was on his rampage. His comment was "you rarely see a crumbed goal from the Sydney team." He is correct. Don't get me wrong, Schneids is one of my favourites but if you would consider Willo in the forward pocket compared to Schneids or Buchanan, that nous, experience and quality would see a very dangerous crumbing small forward.

                          Buchanan's ability around the packs is second to none in our side. He should be a permanent midfielder next year. Where does this leave Schneider, back pocket maybe?
                          C'mon Chels!

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                          • Magic Man
                            On the Rookie List
                            • Sep 2005
                            • 44

                            #14
                            Re: Re: Re: 2006 Structure

                            [Buchanan's ability around the packs is second to none in our side. He should be a permanent midfielder next year. Where does this leave Schneider, back pocket maybe? [/B][/QUOTE]

                            You raise a very valid point - my thoughts behind Willo in the backline would be that it might free one of the others to play on the wing like Kennelly or Dempster. But I see no reason why he couldn't go forward.

                            I agree with monty he will definitely be in the center next year, that leaves schneids to take the small forward in the backline or to pinch hit up forward when Willo has a run in the midfield. There is definetley plenty of options for willo - I just thought his midfield time would be limited next year and having a cool head down back might have helped. Similar to what Stewie was doing in his final couple of years.

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                            • hammo
                              Veterans List
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 5554

                              #15
                              I like the idea of Willo playing in the forward line. He would be very dangerous considering he knows how to win the footy and use it.

                              As for Crouchie, I would like to see him freed up a bit to play a more attacking role. In most of our finals it was evident how dangerous he was with his pace running through the middle late in games. His effectiveness as a tagger has pigeon-holed him somewhat.
                              "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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