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    • Jan 2003
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    #31
    just to pull you up on the Adelaide arguement
    between the 1995-96 seasons Adelaide recruited Jarman, Ellen, Koster, Bond and Caven from other clubs to 'fill the holes' they had in their side.
    Jarman was an established champion, but the rest were 'good average' players - now they are premiership players

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    • Reggi
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      • Jan 2003
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      #32
      Yep but those players weren't the core of that side were they.

      Whilst Ellen kicked 5 goals he was hardly a really important player.

      Those core players I mentioned where the guys that determined them winning the premiership. Jarman certainly was the icing on the cake.

      They'd made a Prelim final in 1993 and won about 8 straight early in 1996.

      My point is still right they had developed a side from players they had recruited as young players
      You don't ban those who supported your opponent, you make them wallow in their loserdom by covering your victory! You sit them in the front row. You give them a hat! Toby Ziegler

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      • chammond
        • Jan 2003
        • 1368

        #33
        My point is still right they had developed a side from players they had recruited as young players
        I'm finding it hard to understand your point at all, Reggi.

        None of the teams you've mentioned achieved success by recruiting only novices. They all built their success around a mix of youth and experience.

        To say that a team that lacks experience/maturity should recruit more youngsters doesn't make sense?

        If the Swans find they don't have the right mix, then they should recruit to fill the gaps. If they lack experience, then they should recruit to meet that need.

        As far as I can tell, that's how the Swans' plan to do it.

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        • Reggi
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          • Jan 2003
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          #34
          Then name the clubs that have won premierships and had long term success based on recruiting those types of players.

          Please name them
          You don't ban those who supported your opponent, you make them wallow in their loserdom by covering your victory! You sit them in the front row. You give them a hat! Toby Ziegler

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          • chammond
            • Jan 2003
            • 1368

            #35
            Please name them
            You already did . .

            Brisbane
            Adelaide
            Carlton . . .

            All the best teams build a team with a mix of skills and a mix of youth and experience.

            Building a team of youngsters is no more likely to succeed than any other one-sided plan - particularly since athletes in general don't reach their physical peak until they are 26 yo.

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            • Steve
              Regular in the Side
              • Jan 2003
              • 676

              #36
              I think Reggi is more talking about the overall philosophy.

              When you need a certain type of player or players, do you recruit your own young and develop them, or do you go the quick-fix and get the closest match you can find amongst established players?

              Essendon are pretty close to the model. Also always looking a couple of years ahead.

              When they needed a FF they wheeled and dealed to get Lloyd as a 16 y/o.

              When they needed some hardness they recruited the Johnsons, Solomon and Jacobs within a year of each other.

              When they needed some pace/flair/run in the midfield they recruited Ramanauskas, McVeigh, McGrath, Davies, Bannister etc over a couple of seasons.

              The difference between clubs Essendon/Brisbane and the old Sydney was that looking for the immediate quick-fix was Plan A for us. Conversely, the recruiting of players like Salmon/Barnes/Grgic/Eastaugh was only out of desperation after O'Connor/Banks/Lalich/Alessio/Henneman/Hille hadn't work out.

              Otherwise you pick up handy players that you probably weren't really desperately looking for, only because they come cheap - eg. Pike, Michael, Johnson, B.Scott etc.

              The philosophical focus has to be totally on developing young players, with top ups only considered if they add value and come at no real expense.

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              • Charlie
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                • Jan 2003
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                #37
                The frustrating thing is seeing clubs win premierships with discards, such as Barnes, Pike, Bell, Caven etc. There's always a couple of recycled players in a flag side. We recruit stars... and where is it getting us?
                We hate Anthony Rocca
                We hate Shannon Grant too
                We hate scumbag Gaspar
                But Leo WE LOVE YOU!

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                • Reggi
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                  • Jan 2003
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by chammond
                  You already did . .

                  Brisbane
                  Adelaide
                  Carlton . . .

                  All the best teams build a team with a mix of skills and a mix of youth and experience.

                  Building a team of youngsters is no more likely to succeed than any other one-sided plan - particularly since athletes in general don't reach their physical peak until they are 26 yo.
                  Please name the players that Brisbane and Adelaide recruited from other clubs to build their premiership around?

                  Spot on Steve - we will always be a mediocre club and team as long as we instantly become intoxicated with recruiting 'stars' from other clubs.

                  Interesting that late last year Roos was making a point of saying he wanted to get away from that sort of thing - first chance he gets he jumps on board.
                  You don't ban those who supported your opponent, you make them wallow in their loserdom by covering your victory! You sit them in the front row. You give them a hat! Toby Ziegler

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                  • lizz
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                    • Jan 2003
                    • 16739

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Reggi
                    Interesting that late last year Roos was making a point of saying he wanted to get away from that sort of thing - first chance he gets he jumps on board.
                    To be fair to Roos, he hasn't recruited Aker yet. Sure, he might have made some moderately positive murmurings in the media about the prospect of him joining the Swans, but I'm guessing he was asked a specific and direct question to which he was responding. I think we need to wait til the end of the season before damning him for abandoning his "rebuilding" philosophy.

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                    • Reggi
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                      • Jan 2003
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                      #40
                      I certainly hope so for the club's sake and his - we were given the impression last year that he knew better.

                      We need to find more good young guys to build a team around
                      You don't ban those who supported your opponent, you make them wallow in their loserdom by covering your victory! You sit them in the front row. You give them a hat! Toby Ziegler

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                      • penga
                        Senior Player
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 2601

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Reggi
                        Interesting that late last year Roos was making a point of saying he wanted to get away from that sort of thing - first chance he gets he jumps on board.
                        remember that caroline wilson wrote that article!!!
                        C'mon Chels!

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                        • Reggi
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                          • Jan 2003
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                          #42
                          Oh Yeah - that's right and she is dedicated to truth, justice and the Richmond way!
                          You don't ban those who supported your opponent, you make them wallow in their loserdom by covering your victory! You sit them in the front row. You give them a hat! Toby Ziegler

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                          • chammond
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 1368

                            #43
                            Please name the players that Brisbane and Adelaide recruited from other clubs to build their premiership around?
                            You've totally confused me now, Reggi.

                            You obviously can't be trying to suggest that Brisbane's and Adelaide's premiership sides were all drafted novices? And I've certainly never heard either Blight or Matthews aspire to any half-baked yoof policy. I'd be very happy for the Swans to adopt their even-handed approach (which is also Sheedy's philosophy, as far as I can tell).

                            Roos' willingness to consider Akermanis is great news - it shows he's smart enough not to get locked into an inflexible recruiting strategy.

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                            • Reggi
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                              • Jan 2003
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                              #44
                              Anyone can make the claim you are making

                              Back it up!

                              Where are the facts that support your statement?
                              You don't ban those who supported your opponent, you make them wallow in their loserdom by covering your victory! You sit them in the front row. You give them a hat! Toby Ziegler

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                              • scurrilous
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                                • Apr 2003
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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Reggi
                                Anyone can make the claim you are making

                                Back it up!

                                Where are the facts that support your statement?
                                Didn't you provide them before with the likes of Jarman et al?

                                Youth and experience. Best mixed drink going around. Heavy on the youth, easy on the experienced.
                                Only 9 notes? How easy can it be!

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