Nightmare for Colless

[Beaussie]

Originally posted by Charlie
But why LIVE? You can have as much people watching the game as you like... doesn't do us one little bit of good if the dollars aren't coming through the turnstiles. And why would they bother going to the game, if it they can sit in front of the TV, with the heater on, nice and dry, and eat and drink whatever they like from their own fridge?

As for pokies, I really just don't think we need to go THAT far for our revenue. It really is sleazy, in my opinion, to rip off people in the name of financial stability. With some COMMON SENSE and good performances, revenue will look after itself.

Our crowds when we are performing well on field don't seem to be affected by the live broadcasts and the benefits that can be gained through TV audiences can result in extra sponsorship and exposure to those that may not have taken an interest in the Swans. Surely that is of benefit to the Swans bottom line, particularly when Channel 10 stated today that TV audiences in Sydney are up 35%. This is what the sponsors and advertisers look at isn't it?

As for pokies, well they have long been a part of the NSW landscape so why not take advantage of the financial gains that can be made. As for it being sleazy as it rips people off in the name of financial stability, I would be interested to hear your views on official club merchandise. I for one refuse to buy my merchandise from the clubs as it is in my opinion an absolute rip off. Swans scarfs for instance are $10 cheaper at KMart and the official Swans tracksuit is at least $70 cheaper at the Puma warehouse in Sydney. I'm sure these are not rare examples.

[Rizzo]

As a brewing student of Ballarat Uni the answer is obvious - The Swans Club House Brewery.

Who wouldn't want to have a Skilton Ale, Kelly Strong, Lockett Lager, Pratt Pilsener, Scanlan Irish Ale or Barassi Bitter after a good win?

Sport is Tribalism

Choice of Beer is Tribalism

Beer is the answer!

[Charlie]

Originally posted by Beaussie
Our crowds when we are performing well on field don't seem to be affected by the live broadcasts and the benefits that can be gained through TV audiences can result in extra sponsorship and exposure to those that may not have taken an interest in the Swans. Surely that is of benefit to the Swans bottom line, particularly when Channel 10 stated today that TV audiences in Sydney are up 35%. This is what the sponsors and advertisers look at isn't it?

As for pokies, well they have long been a part of the NSW landscape so why not take advantage of the financial gains that can be made. As for it being sleazy as it rips people off in the name of financial stability, I would be interested to hear your views on official club merchandise. I for one refuse to buy my merchandise from the clubs as it is in my opinion an absolute rip off. Swans scarfs for instance are $10 cheaper at KMart and the official Swans tracksuit is at least $70 cheaper at the Puma warehouse in Sydney. I'm sure these are not rare examples.

You are kidding right?

Our last sell-out was in 1999, for the 1300 Match. That was probably only live once all tickets had sold. Because Seven NEVER EVER put the game live against the gate, iirc. So where are these examples of big crowds against a live TV broadcast?

As for pokies vs. merchandise, that's a stupid argument. At least you get something for your money, rather than letting it full down a black hole.

[desredandwhite]

Charlie, I went to a few "sellouts" in the 97-99 period where the game was definitely shown live against the gate (as I like to tape the games) - Sunday arvo only though, there was no chance of live sat night games (except maybe once or twice for big games)

[Dpw]

Off the topic abit how much would we make from these machines pokies are aganist the law here(wa) so iam not sure if theres any value in stacking a club full with them.

[liz]

Originally posted by Charlie
You are kidding right?

Our last sell-out was in 1999, for the 1300 Match. That was probably only live once all tickets had sold. Because Seven NEVER EVER put the game live against the gate, iirc. So where are these examples of big crowds against a live TV broadcast?

Actually, up here in Sydney C7 ALWAYS broadcast our Sunday afternoon games live against the gate. And the fact that they didn't broadcast the Saturday games was driven only by ratings, I'm sure, rather than a feeling that they shouldn't compete.

Its worth adding that the broadcasting of games live is something the Swans have publically commented that they were in favour of.

[undy]

NSW has 10% of the wolrd's pokies and Australia generally 20%. I think we have enough. If anyone doesn't believe this figure, go Google, its widely available.

Merchandising should be a great fundraiser for the Swans but I think that for articles sold at K-MArt etc, they get about 1% of the purchase price, compared to 40-60% if bought directly from the shop. I'm pretty sure that was about the right percentages - there was a story about it three or four years ago, it turned out that the AFL was getting more than the individual club, I think. If people think that they are contributing money to the Swans by buying Swannies gear from KMart, they are dreaming. Buy it from the shop.

I think that the basic gear sold at the ground (scarves, beanies, baseball caps for the squinting-into-the-sun areas) should be broadly competitive with KMart etc. Maybe that is something the club can improve on.

Andy

[JF_Bay22_SCG]

WRONG CHARLIE!

Originally posted by Charlie
You are kidding right?

Our last sell-out was in 1999, for the 1300 Match. That was probably only live once all tickets had sold. Because Seven NEVER EVER put the game live against the gate, iirc.

Wrong mate. As far as I'm concerned EVERY Sunday match has been shown live since at least 96 (I think as early as 1992, as I recall people coming into the game when we beat Melbourne because they saw it on TV).

There are definitely pros and cons to live broadcasts. If we do get 50000 it will be to the credit of all concerned. We get 10% of the publicity that State of Origin gets, yet very respectable crowds.

Further proof that idiots like Mike Gobson are WRONG WRONG WRONG. And that there is not only room for AFL in Sydney. But we are Sydney FAVOURITE CLUB SIDE!

JF

[Charlie]

Alright... well... if they've traditionally put it live-against-the-gate, then it has to stop. Now.

It's crazy.

[Bron]

Originally posted by Cheer Cheer
Why would we lose Roos ?

Well he has been asked many times about the Wallace issue and he has stated many times that all people involved with selecting the coach have looked at him right in the eye and told him there was no payout to Wallace and all he can do is believe that. But he said if there was information found to the contrary and wallace was selected first then paid out he would be very "disapointed" and really how do you expect a bloke to put in 100% for the team when he knows he wasnt first choice, his board have been lying to him etc Roos would be out of there quick smart mark my words.

I hope not. I hope that he could say that he had the backing of a majority of supporters and maybe that made a difference and he's repaying that faith and will continue to do so. I'd like to think that it's the "the club" rather than for a bunch of administrators who apepar to have screwed up big time that he's involved.

[Bron]

Originally posted by Sanecow
Where did that statistic come from?

I remember hearing something like this a few months ago. It said something like 25% of the poker machines are in Australia and 20% in Sydney. I can't recall the source of the stat, but I heard it on a radio discussion re gambling. My number might be wrong, but I was just staggered.

[Bron]

Originally posted by Charlie
But why LIVE? You can have as much people watching the game as you like... doesn't do us one little bit of good if the dollars aren't coming through the turnstiles. And why would they bother going to the game, if it they can sit in front of the TV, with the heater on, nice and dry, and eat and drink whatever they like from their own fridge?

Why? It's never the same unless you're there at the game! (Trite I know, but true)

[Bron]

Originally posted by Charlie
Our last sell-out was in 1999, for the 1300 Match. That was probably only live once all tickets had sold.

And, that was four years ago today!

[Bron]

I have been interstate and not able to weigh into this discussion until now.

It would appear that there are management issues. But, the corporate governance is through the Board. They clearly have failed in their undertakings here. There is no transparency and there should be. I would hope that this can only support the case for member-elected representation (not full) on the Board as soon as possible.

If necessary, I agree that there should be a fund raising campaign. Charlie mentioned $2.50/week. I did some simple sums when the news broke earlier this week - 22,000 x $50 is $1.1million. But then, I agree with some points of view that bailing out those who have screwed up only rewards them. But, heh, I'd rather have a Club.

I looked at the numbers in the Australian the other day. Last year's figures had $1.2million raised in their fund raising events, but these cost $900,000 - that seems a pretty poor ratio to me.

Let's see what happens over the weekend and what response there is. I seriously doubt that anyone would let the swans go under. If necessary, we start building a campaign over the next few weeks.

[Dpw]

Originally posted by Bron
I have been interstate and not able to weigh into this discussion until now.

It would appear that there are management issues. But, the corporate governance is through the Board. They clearly have failed in their undertakings here. There is no transparency and there should be. I would hope that this can only support the case for member-elected representation (not full) on the Board as soon as possible.

If necessary, I agree that there should be a fund raising campaign. Charlie mentioned $2.50/week. I did some simple sums when the news broke earlier this week - 22,000 x $50 is $1.1million. But then, I agree with some points of view that bailing out those who have screwed up only rewards them. But, heh, I'd rather have a Club.

I looked at the numbers in the Australian the other day. Last year's figures had $1.2million raised in their fund raising events, but these cost $900,000 - that seems a pretty poor ratio to me.

Let's see what happens over the weekend and what response there is. I seriously doubt that anyone would let the swans go under. If necessary, we start building a campaign over the next few weeks.

I agree with your view Bron we really do need alot more transparency. I just don't get how we got were we are World Cup or no World Cup.