Roosy for coach of the year

[Red Cygnus Olor]

I believe if we finish the Home and Away in the four Roosy will be in good stead to win coach of the year. Especially considering we were picked to finish in the bottom four at the start of the year. It has been inspirational what he has done with the team especially the young blokes. Having played local footy with Schnieds it has benn great to see him go ahead in leaps and bounds under Roosy were as if Eade coached again he would have been lucky to get a game

[Charlie]

The All-Australian coach is always the premiership coach, automatically. To me that's unnecessary, the premiership coach is already awarded the Jock McHale Medal... so why can't the AA coach be the coach who has performed the best based on expectations? To me, that'd be fairer, and Roosy would be one of two coaches I'd suggest could probably win, along with Worsfold.

[penga]

unless woosha or roosy wins the flag, there might be a change

[Skells]

I could be wrong but I thought Eade was All Australian coach in 1996.

[Charlie]

Originally posted by Skells
I could be wrong but I thought Eade was All Australian coach in 1996.

Yeah, he was. The rule changed in about 2001.

[bricon]

Originally posted by Charlie
The All-Australian coach is always the premiership coach, automatically.

Isn?t AA team is usually announced before the grand final?

Terry Wheeler, Neil Balme, Rodney Eade, Stan Alves and Terry Wallace have all been AA coaches and none of them are premiership coaches.

[Charlie]

Originally posted by bricon
Isn?t AA team is usually announced before the grand final?

The team is, but the coach isn't.

Terry Wheeler, Neil Balme, Rodney Eade, Stan Alves and Terry Wallace have all been AA coaches and none of them are premiership coaches.

See my above post. All of those guys won the award between the years of 92-98, from memory. The rule has changed since then.

[bricon]

Originally posted by Charlie
The team is, but the coach isn't.

Ah! Clear as mud, thnx Charlie.

[bloodboy]

Yeah, how stupid

It is bloody stupid that the AA coach is the coach who wins the GF. Just because they win the GF does not mean that they are coach of the year...they could have the best list ever imaginable and not do anything right and still win a flag. I mean, look at Kevin Sheedy for a shining example of a hack coach who would have won the AA coach position. I cannot believe he has been at Essendon for so many years...he has had such good lists and has not done enough with them. In 2000, Essendon won it because they had the best list in the competition, it had nothing to do with Sheedy.

Roosy would be right on track to be coach of the year. He has taken a side who was expected to finish bottom of the ladder (for what reason, I do not know) and taken them to what will hopefully be a finals campaign. This is not the reason he should be coach of the year though, as any idiot, except the Melbourne journos, could see that we did not have a 'bottom of the barrel' list. He should get it because he has had the guts to install a whole new management and coaching system at the club which has reaped benefits.

Well there is my two cents...Cheers all

[Plugger46]

Re: Yeah, how stupid

Originally posted by bloodboy
It is bloody stupid that the AA coach is the coach who wins the GF. Just because they win the GF does not mean that they are coach of the year...they could have the best list ever imaginable and not do anything right and still win a flag. I mean, look at Kevin Sheedy for a shining example of a hack coach who would have won the AA coach position. I cannot believe he has been at Essendon for so many years...he has had such good lists and has not done enough with them. In 2000, Essendon won it because they had the best list in the competition, it had nothing to do with Sheedy.

Roosy would be right on track to be coach of the year. He has taken a side who was expected to finish bottom of the ladder (for what reason, I do not know) and taken them to what will hopefully be a finals campaign. This is not the reason he should be coach of the year though, as any idiot, except the Melbourne journos, could see that we did not have a 'bottom of the barrel' list. He should get it because he has had the guts to install a whole new management and coaching system at the club which has reaped benefits.

Well there is my two cents...Cheers all

bloodboy,

That is the most accuarate post I think I've ever read. I've been saying the same thing about Sheedy for years. He had them peaking mid-season in 2001 and therefore they got beaten in the GF. The '93 flag is probably the one he can take some credibility for. In '84 and '85, he had the best list. I could've coached them to a flag in 2000. They definitely should've won the flag in '99 but choked in the preliminary final.

He should've won 6 or 7 flags, with the lists he has had.

With the list he has had,

[liz]

Couple of comments

Firstly I agree it's a shame that the AA coach is automatically the premiership coach. There are many occasions where another coach has arguably achieved more with the resources available to him.

However, I think that the comments on Sheedy being non-deserving in 2000 are misplaced. Surely one of the roles of the coach is to assemble and develop a squad, instill his players with supreme confidence (as the 2000 Essendon squad had), and discipline them to work to a consistent and efficient game plan. Sheedy undoubtedly achieved this in the late 1990s. I have no idea what his tactical nous or game-day coaching skills are like, but if you achieve the rest of the above you've got to be doing something right. And much as I don't like the Bombers, you have to acknowledge that Sheedy has largely achieved his various premiership squads through self-development rather than by "buying in" top flight players.

I'm also not sure about the comment that Roos has "had the guts to install a whole new management and coaching system at the club which has reaped benefits". Installing management is the job of club management, not the coach. And all that Roos really has done that is different thus far is freed up the players to play with flair and confidence. His skills at developing the squad in the long-term are still to be tested. He is working with a squad that he inherited, and the only really significant imports this year fell into his lap because both players (Davis and Bolton) desparately wanted to come to the club.

I'm not trying to belittle what Roos has achieved thus far - like the rest of us I think it's fantastic - but I think we should keep it in perspective insofar as it demonstrates his long-term coaching ability, and the likliehood of him bringing a flag to Driver Avenue.

[bloodboy]

RE Roosy

Lizz, in response to your critique of my post (which is totally fine, criticism is what drives us to be better people) I would just like to make a few comments. When I was referring to Roosy's new 'Management' system, I was not referring to the management of the club as a whole itself but rather Roosy's new method of player management (ie. blooding youngsters, being more open in communication etc.). The actual management at the club is hopeless and they really do need to lift their game in order to make us the successful corporate entity that we should be. And with regards to Roosy not prving his long-term developmental skills, I agree he has not done this, but we are talking coach of the year, not decade.

Your views on Sheedy are interesting, however I am not going to budge on my position. I have thought he was a crap coach for a long time now and Essendon are keeping him there purely based on sentiment. I think he was very lucky with the recruiting done by the club around the 2000 year as they had many youngsters who were stepping up to become good players (some of the credit, I guess, should go to Sheedy for recruiting but definitely not all). And since 2000, Essendon have taken a bit of a slide. I think the end of K Sheedy's reign as coach at Essendon is nigh...but I do hope they keep him on for a few more years as he is a crap coach and I hate the bombers...so the less Bomber success I have to put up with, the better!

[liz]

Don't totally disagree with you Bloodboy - but I guess that for all my dislike of the Bombers I have a grudging admiration for them, and the fact that they do seem to have the knack of winning premierships at regular intervals. I agree that the Bombers should probably of achieved more with the squad they had in 1999-2001 and I suspect Sheeds isn't the most tactically astute coach going around.

I guess the thing that I did admire about them during that period was their unswerving self-belief in themselves and their team mates. Even when they weren't playing that well they still believed they couldn't lose, and most of the time they just blitzed teams.

Roos has obviously done a huge amount to turn around the confidence of his playing group compared to the last couple of years under Eade. But he's only got them so far up to this point. Against some of the better teams (esp WC and Brisbane) we've witnessed them go into their shells a little in the second half when the opposition came at them. Fortunately they've had the guts each time to hang on and just do enough, but its been clear at times that they haven't quite been sure whether they can actually beat these teams - especially the Lions. This isn't meant as a criticism of the players or Roos - that belief will come as they do actually beat more and more of the top teams.

One thing we definitely agree on is looking forward to a further slide in the short-term prospects of the Bombers!

[Rod_]

In my 40 years as a swans supporter, I would be a happy man if the swans had won half the GF that the bombers have during that time...

I feel that the wheel of time is turning and we are due for Finals victories soon Preferably the GF but this year, but I would be happy with a good show. (Go all the way my heart is calling..... But my head is saying that we are rebuilding for future years)

Time will tell, but to measure success as grandfinal victories we are yet to get the runs on the board! (bugger) But to think how far we have come in the few years that we have been here wow I can recall when they gave tickets out with maccas hamburgers to try and convert a few people to AFL.

Now we have players born and bred from NSW and the future is looking good. (Let alone the players that have moved south)

Things are on the up

Go the swannies

Rod_