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  • footyhead
    Banned indefinitely by Moderators for posting totally inappropriate material
    • May 2003
    • 1367

    AFL tagging taggers, just as captain is firing

    Just another example of how they are taking all the hardness out of the game , and with it the excitment.
    Even if they don't change any of the rules, making umpires and players hyper aware of this overly dudicial line makes the game much more self concious and far less adherent to the rules of the jungle. Lets face it before America had survivor, we had Aussie rules. Who wants to see an episode of survivor where the net work is always talking about being nice ??? !!!
    This is a full contact sport, when will they ever stop dilluting it ?
    I like my footy like I like my beer . At full strenth.
    Thats what was so good and enthralling about Plugger. he had the skills, but he also had the hardness (who can forget the duels between him and pagans jail house meatheads) .
    If they take this out of the game, baketball becomes far more interesting!
    I think AFL is like a fight at school, everybody wanted to watch it and basically we just wished the teachers would P iss off.
    Well I just wish the AFL would stop ****ing with the game:-
    .......

    From heraldsun:
    Operation taggers: Warning for leeches
    By MARK ROBINSON
    17jul03

    TAGGERS beware - the AFL is watching you and expect the heat to be turned up even more.







    The AFL Rules Committee met yesterday and has requested umpires pay "greater attention" to players being blocked or tagged off the ball.
    The committee's decision comes a day after Adelaide coach Gary Ayres called for more protection for his premier onballer, Andrew McLeod.

    And it would seem the man in the gun is Carlton tagger Anthony Franchina whose past three games -- against McLeod, Melbourne's Travis Johnstone and West Coast's Phil Matera -- have come to the attention of field umpires.

    No official complaints have been made about Franchina, but club officials have made it known they are unhappy with the tenacious Blue's tactics.

    Other taggers certain to be monitored include Collingwood's Brodie Holland, Sydney's Brett Kirk, Melbourne's Simon Godfrey, Richmond's Tim Fleming and Essendon's Damien Peverill.

    AFL director of umpiring Jeff Gieschen yesterday said he was aware of "isolated cases" of heavy tagging in the past month.

    "We're aware of players who are being heavily pressured and we know players who can apply the heavy pressure," he said.

    "Pressure is fine, but once they infringe and break the laws, that's when we expect our umpires to pay free kicks."

    But Gieschen was adamant tagging tactics were not out of control.

    "In the past month we've probably noticed some game situations where there has been some very close checking applied, but it's no worse or severe than other periods in the game," he said.

    He said tagging was monitored as an ongoing issue.

    "It's not something we say: `Gee, we've got to watch taggers this week,' . . . we're on to things like that all the time."

    The major complaints centre around players being grabbed behind play or being blocked from getting to a contest.

    "We can't pay free kicks because players apply a lot of pressure, but we can for infringements and blocking more than 5m from the ball comes under that," Gieschen said.

    "We expect if guys impede and the umpires see it, they should ping them."

    Ayres and the Crows have been fuming over the recent tactics used to quell McLeod.

    "He gets heavily negated," Ayres said. "I think he needs to get looked after more by the umpires."

    Franchina's tactics, strongly defended by the Blues, have been privately criticised by opponents in the past month.

    Three weeks ago at Optus Oval, McLeod dominated the first half with 17 possessions, but after being assigned Franchina managed just five more.

    After the game, the umpires asked the Crows about allegations of scratching ?not by any specific Carlton player ?but Adelaide chose not to pursue the matter.

    So intimidatory was Franchina that McLeod's teammates, Wayne Carey and Scott Welsh, intervened several times.

    Johnstone, who had Franchina as a tagger for three quarters a fortnight ago, was furious after the game over what he perceived as unfair tactics.

    Several times the umpires intervened as Johnstone and Franchina jostled off the ball and throughout the game Johnstone could be seen pleading with the men in white for a free kick.

    Johnstone gathered eight touches in the first quarter, but was restricted to six more for the remainder of the game.

    And, at the weekend, the emergency umpire was forced on to the field after Franchina and Matera began grappling behind play. The umpire stood 10m from the contest for 10 minutes.
    Last edited by footyhead; 17 July 2003, 08:09 AM.
  • jixygirl
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    • Jun 2003
    • 432

    #2
    Haven't the media been praising Brett Kirk for restricting the opposition's possessions?
    Sydney Swans Premiers 2005 - The Mighty Bloods

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    • SXP

      #3
      Does anybody still remember the little "Libba" and his tactics, which were all round famous. Nobody was reviewing his tactics then. Just ask our own Paul Kelly.

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      • Jon
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        • Mar 2003
        • 162

        #4
        Well if Kirk ends up targeted it will be a bit of a joke. He doesn't sledge, he doesn't bite, he doesn't scratch...as far as I can see he's simply fit enough to run with the best, and uses what skill and strength he has to eek everything he can out of a contest.

        I don't understand the focus on individuals. Tagging doesn't work unless there is solid support from fellow team mates, anyway. Kirk might not get his man every time, but more often than not his pressure forces his opponent into a Jude Tackle or a Maxfield hip-and-shoulder. And likewise they will force many of their opponents into a Kirk tackle. But at the end of the day "experts" just look at the stat lists and ignore the fact it was a team effort all round.

        I reckon something's brewing, though. Sheehan was on the hunt for a "tagger's" scalp weeks ago. I think he asked guests whether Kirk was playing fairly about 4 or 5 tmes this year. But everyone so far has told him Kirk wasn't dirty.

        I think some of these armchair critics are too happy to wax lyrical about the good old days, while too quick to forget how footy has REALLY been played for a century!
        Time to march for the Red and White

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        • chammond
          • Jan 2003
          • 1368

          #5
          When Anthony Franchina uses these obnoxious tactics, he gets hounded by the media and the authorities.

          When Paul Licuria does the same thing, he wins a best-and-fairest award.

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          • jixygirl
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            • Jun 2003
            • 432

            #6
            There is definitely a bias in the media as to who is a tagger and who is just good at tackling and restricting the opposition. Just so long as the footballers don't break the rules, the media shouldn't say anything.
            Sydney Swans Premiers 2005 - The Mighty Bloods

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            • Rod_
              Senior Player
              • Jan 2003
              • 1179

              #7
              One of the things that I noticed was that some the players that are being tagged over run the ball - - - the tagger also over runs the ball and a second player collects the ball and follows the gap that is created by the "better player and the tagger" One way over being tagged or the player being tagged also tags another player thereby taking 2 players out of the game to 1.... loose man win for not tagging......

              Coaches find way to overcome the changes - What are the alternatives????? If they stop this type of things there will be no bumping or touching ??? Basket ball rules?

              Come on, let it be. A good player will run the legs of a tagger or win some and loose some rule applies Work around the current rules

              Get more players with skills and one team will tag and the other will play.......

              Leave it alone!

              Rod_

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              • Rizzo
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                • Jan 2003
                • 655

                #8
                You'd be hard place to ping Kirk for dirty tactics - he's one of the fairest taggers I've seen. He doesn't jam the elbow or sledge - he simply shadows the guy. I don't think he's got anything to worry about.

                Having said that, anyone else think those 3 free kicks for St Kilda for the push(es) in the back were a complete joke!?!?!?!

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                • Nico
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                  • Jan 2003
                  • 11329

                  #9
                  This has been the season of whingers.

                  When the Hawks are struggling or lose Schwab screams like a cut cat. Lose a few on the trot where the excuses dry up, and he doesn't say boo. Win one and you can't shut him up. Lost last week and it was the deliberate out of bounds rule that lost the game. His tactics I think were brought undone.

                  Daniher - never blames his players just whinges about umpires.

                  Malthouse whinges about anything that will get his name in the paper.

                  Sheahan and Wilson make it up.

                  Ayres complains about taggers on McLeod but what are his own taggers doing.

                  The clubs that don't have good taggers are probably the ones complaining.

                  Choco complains about the Bulldogs dirty tactics. Der, aren't Port's tactics running close to the wind. RE; Shaun Burgoyne the sniper every week.

                  And so it goes on. It is nausiating.

                  Wish they would just get on with game and all shut up.
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                  • RogueSwan
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                    • Apr 2003
                    • 4602

                    #10
                    Roos Responses?

                    Keep watching the taggers: Roos
                    4:40:32 PM Thu 17 July, 2003
                    Matt Burgan
                    afl.com.au
                    Sydney coach Paul Roos believes field umpires should continue to clamp down on illegal tagging tactics used by run-with players, who are playing tight-knit roles on key opposition ball winners.

                    Roos said he had no problem with run-with players playing close-checking games on dominant opposition players, as long as they did not cross the line with tactics outside of the laws of the game.



                    ?If there is a free kick, it should be paid. If the taggers are doing something illegal, I?m all for (umpires to pay free kicks). I love to see the (Andrew) McLeods ? not against us ? but I love to see him get the ball and running with it and I love to see him able to not be restricted unfairly,? Roos said.

                    Roos spoke glowingly about Brett Kirk, who has become an integral part of the Swans? line-up, as a run-with midfielder, who has claimed some of the biggest scalps in the game without crossing over the line with illegal tactics.

                    ?In terms of Kirky, I don?t have a problem at all, because I know that he plays well within the rules and he?s just mentally a very strong player and he certainly doesn?t do anything untoward,? Roos said.

                    ?But I?m all for it. If guys are getting grabbed before the contest or pushed and shoved and it?s outside the rules ? they should be getting free kicks.?

                    Roos, who was speaking at Optus Oval on Thursday in the lead-up to the clash against Carlton on Saturday, said Kirk was just one of the factors for Sydney?s rise up the ladder in 2003.

                    ?He was certainly under pressure in terms of his spot on the list, but he?s a classic case of someone playing within his limitations and he desperately wants to be part of AFL football and will do anything to do that,? Roos said of Kirk.

                    ?He?s just taken on the roles. He?s very mentally tough ? I think that?s probably the biggest thing, to play on a guy week-in-week-out. It?s mentally draining as well as physically draining. He?s lucky he?s physically fit. He?s a very fit guy.

                    ?But I take my hat off to him, because mentally it?s very hard. It?s a bit like playing full-back. I wouldn?t sleep if I had to play full-back every week of my life. I think it?s his mental strength that makes him a very, very good competitor.?

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                    • footyhead
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                      • May 2003
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                      #11
                      I recon Roos is reading REDANdWHITEONLINE !!

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                      • Dave
                        Let those truckers roll
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 1557

                        #12
                        Re: Roos Responses?

                        Originally posted by RogueSwan
                        It?s a bit like playing full-back. I wouldn?t sleep if I had to play full-back every week of my life.

                        Exactly.

                        No one seems to worry about all the attention BBBBH gets from his opponents but with McLeod it's like he's sacred or something.

                        What a @@@@ing beat up!

                        We don't have a giant full back but do we complain that it's unfair? No we work around it.

                        If players can't elude the mighty Captain, then bad @@@@ing luck! If he's not doing anything illegal , then there is NO ISSUE! Go and get your own tagger and shut the hell up!




                        "My theory is that the universe is made out of stupidity because it's more plentiful than hydrogen" - Frank Zappa

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                        • red_avengers
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                          • May 2003
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                          #13
                          Re: Re: Roos Responses?

                          Originally posted by Dave
                          Exactly.

                          Go and get your own tagger and shut the hell up!

                          Go Dave you tell them. Bunch of whinging princesses. They do get frees now anyhow. You only have to go near Lloyd and he'll fall down and get a free kick, then you know what to expect next. He'll pull his socks and throw the grass up even when its pissing down and get a weak goal. He wouldn't be leading goal kicker if it wasn't for this.

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