Saddington

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Nico
Can anyone tell me if Schauble has had a bag kicked on him this year. I can't recall any such towelling.

Neitz kicked 6 and Lloyd kicked 5. I think Schauble had Neitz before Bolton went onto him. Overall, I think Schauble has done a pretty reasonable job, particularly when he really should be our no 2 big back guy.

[Nico]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Neitz kicked 6 and Lloyd kicked 5. I think Schauble had Neitz before Bolton went onto him. Overall, I think Schauble has done a pretty reasonable job, particularly when he really should be our no 2 big back guy.

And didn't Lloyd get a token couple of goals right at the end.

[Cheer Cheer]

Lloyd did kick a couple of goals at the end, but the were earned, on the lead and great 50 metre kicks, they werent dodgy free kicks or anything.
Also Schauble got killed by lynch, albeit in the wizard cup, but the common theme is that he struggles against the big power forwards, but I dont blame him as he is the closest thing we have to replace dunkley and he is serviceable.

[NMWBloods]

Lynch also comfortably beat Schauble when we beat Brisbane - he was just starved of opportunities.

As for Lloyd - what CC said - he simply beat Schauble in a one-on-one.

But that's not really Schauble's game - against the premier forwards. Unfortunately we have no one else and he's doing okay.

[Roscoe]

Got to add my 2 cents worth here. Most of you people aren't too far off the mark in relation to your assessment of Schauble

He is the best we have got

He is reliable

He isn't a favourite of mine, but he is doing well.

[liz]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Lynch also comfortably beat Schauble when we beat Brisbane - he was just starved of opportunities.

Disagree with that. I thought they broke reasonably even. Forwards are responsible, to some degree, for creating their own opportunities unless their team is getting flogged and the ball never comes forward. But Brisbane had their periods of domination in that game - mainly the third term, surprise, surprise - and Schaubs held his own.

He's doing fine, is Schauble.

[sharpie]

Anyone bagging Schauble has a very short memory. Since he moved to Sydney, he was regularly kicking goals for us after running up from the half back line - his preferred position.

This year he has had to play fullback due to our lack of any other options. He is not, and never has been a fullback. He instead must play there to fill the void. As a result he comes up against the big full forwards of the competition. The ones which only the best fullbacks can contain each week. As a result, his creative play has almost entirely been shelved this season.

He has only had too bags kicked on him, Nietz and Lloyd. But LLoyd's effort is fairly irrelevant, as he kicked 2 goals at the end of the final quarter when the game was over.

Therefore, this shows that Schauble has actually done an amazing job, along with the rest of the Swans' defense.

One last thing: not many people would disagree with the fact the the most vital position the Swans need to fill is fullback. Now consider the Swans' defense next year if that position is filled. Take perhaps Mal Michael as an example.

FB: C.Bolton Michael Mathews
HB: Saddington Schauble Barry

You'd have to say that is a pretty decent defense, now that Saddington can play on a flank, and a noticeable ommission is Kennelly. Gives him more freedom to play on a wing. And, as many of the believers would argue, a certain Heath James doesnt rate a mention. Add him to the equation, and this relieves Bolton to continue his improvement shown in the last few weeks in the midfield. Hang on, I still havent mentioned Seymour, Powell, LRT, Sundqvist, who are other possible inclusions in defense.

This has got to have some of you salivating. Surely this shows just how much we miss a good fullback, and also how well Schauble has done in its absence.

That is all

[Craig]

The original point of this thread was on Saddington. He is not doing enough simple as that. To get beaten by Medhurst in the air is not good enough, especially when Saddington is a good deal taller. I can understand Medhurst beating him on the ground.

Saddington needs to bulk up, get tougher and read the ball better. He should take a note out of Leo Barry's book.

Schauble has been playing very well in the past couple of weeks and has been effective as a loose man in defence such as on the weekend.

[Jon]

Originally posted by Craig
The original point of this thread was on Saddington. He is not doing enough simple as that. To get beaten by Medhurst in the air is not good enough, especially when Saddington is a good deal taller. I can understand Medhurst beating him on the ground.

Saddington needs to bulk up, get tougher and read the ball better. He should take a note out of Leo Barry's book.

Schauble has been playing very well in the past couple of weeks and has been effective as a loose man in defence such as on the weekend.

Getting beaten in the air by Medhurts isn't the crime of the century. He may appear short, by like O'brien used to do for us, his strength and positioning really keeps him in a lot of marking contests, and he takes posession in many of them.

I think Saddo has been playing in front of his man a lot, and sometimes this can make him look bad. But this leaves him in a good position to counter attack. Since his return we've seen him moving up the ground quite a bit - taking a lot of pressure of Leo and Craig to be the key defenders to move forward.

I agree that Schauble has actually hit a bit of good form in recent weeks. I think his form has been exciting since he's overcome those injury problems. He's taken some Dunkley-style marks in the backline.

His one problem is his speed. And Connelly had players running off him up the ground, and tried to expose him on the wings. But even out there, he made some contests and found the line when he had to.

Better to concede a mark out there than in the square.

[liz]

Originally posted by Jon
I think Saddo has been playing in front of his man a lot...

And no doubt this is under team instructions. I remember getting really frustrated earlier in the season when all our defenders seemed to be playing their men from behind - and getting beaten on the lead, time after time.

Saddo noticeably played in front of Tarrant when we played the Pies, to counter Collingwood's tactic of blocking Tarrant's opponents so that he (Tarrant) can easily get clear on the lead. It worked well for 3 quarters until the Pies started getting the ball into the forward line more quickly.

We tend to remember the defenders who get marks taken on them but footy's a team game and it rarely comes down to one man. When a team is getting possessions in the midfield under little pressure and is able to pump the ball forward quickly, a decent forward will win out over his defender more times than not.

[Craig]

All defenders get marks taken on them, but usually it doesn't happen if your opponent is a foot shorter than you in a 50:50 situation.

Craig Bolton is a classic example. He has been our best backman this year IMO, and has been outmarked on numerous occassions. However when he is outmarked it's the bigger type of players ie Fevola etc, not Medhurst. No one can blame him, it's just part of the game.

The majority of O'brien's marks were on a lead, don't tell me he took pack marks over taller opponents.

[Jon]

Originally posted by Craig
All defenders get marks taken on them, but usually it doesn't happen if your opponent is a foot shorter than you in a 50:50 situation.

The majority of O'brien's marks were on a lead, don't tell me he took pack marks over taller opponents.

Sure....and Medhurst probably takes the majority of his marks on the lead as well, but as i said, it's all about strength and positioning. Medhurst is bloody strong, and does take a lot of marks over his head. He is underrated in that regard.

Mentioning O'Brien was an attempt give an example of another player who played above his height and weight in a forward line marking contest. O'brien often pulled in a contested mark you'd never believe he had a right to take. Once he was under the drop of a ball, he was a bastard to try and get around. And Medhurst is much better overhead and in the air than OB ever was.

[Bear]

Saddo has always been a worry to me - a luxury HBF player-type IMO (good as a third man in) and has NEVER taken the step up to be a key defender. Beaten by just about any player you care to mention one-on-one.

Schauble has been fantastic this year after a very ordinary start to the year. IMO he was at the crossroads and has responded exceptionally well - has been very solid... no great, in the last 10 weeks.

[footyhead]

wasn't Sadoo on fire a couple of years ago as a run with defender ? from memory beating every one including an in form Buckley.

[Bear]

Originally posted by footyhead
wasn't Sadoo on fire a couple of years ago as a run with defender ? from memory beating every one including an in form Buckley.

no i don't recall that but i am talking about as a key defender against the CHF/FF types in one-on-one marking contests.