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  • lizz
    Veteran
    Site Admin
    • Jan 2003
    • 16744

    #16
    I'm totally with Steve et al re the fitness issue. Most clubs nowadays are far more intelligent with the way they train players in any case - they understand that a 17yo rookie needs a different programme to a 24yo and a 30 yo again a different programme. Also a Barry Hall and a Nic Fosdike, say, need different programmes.

    On the skills thing, I suspect that for most players you can't change their core ability to execute basic skills by the time they're in the AFL system. You might be able to tweak some aspects of technique in, for example, tackling, or kicking for goal, but you probably have what you recruited. And they should be able to do all the basics to at least a minimum standard.

    What we see out on the ground is as much about decision making, concentration and speed of thought as it is about execution of core skills. If Roos is hauling players like Fosdike and Bolton up because they are making errors, that could be seen as a good thing. They are making mistakes and being called to account for them, being made to realise why they are making them, and learning how not to make them when it counts.

    I went to a handful of training sessions last season and the enduring impression I got was that they were just that - training rather than coaching. Most times they would spend a third or so of the session playing under match conditions (though with less tackling and full on body contact). I don't think I ever saw the match stopped, a player pulled up because of a mistake he made, and given a chance to re-execute. Now maybe the coaching aspect went on behind the scenes - I understand most sessions are taped. But I couldn't understand why the teaching and correction didn't happen straight away. It was almost as if the coaching staff expected skill errors to happen and didn't think they could do anything about it.

    Maybe what Shearer has seen is Roos actually coaching the team, rather than just letting them run around going through the motions. If so, that's got to be a good thing surely?

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    • Gunn
      On the Rookie List
      • Jan 2003
      • 131

      #17
      Originally posted by lizz
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      On the skills thing, I suspect that for most players you can't change their core ability to execute basic skills by the time they're in the AFL system. You might be able to tweak some aspects of technique in, for example, tackling, or kicking for goal, but you probably have what you recruited. And they should be able to do all the basics to at least a minimum standard.

      What we see out on the ground is as much about decision making, concentration and speed of thought as it is about execution of core skills.
      I agree with most all you say. Neither Bolton nor Fosdike have improved their foot or had passing since they have been at the club. Both are hopeless. What is particularly galling is there lack of these skills when not even under pressure. I scream every time I see Fosdike clear by himself missing a pass to a forward with the result being a turnover. It happens time and time again. :-( Don't get me started about what they do when under pressure. :-(

      I would like to see more enphasis if possible on recruiting skillful players. A mix is OK but we do need skill in the midfield in particular.

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      • Diego
        Suspended by the MRP
        • Jan 2003
        • 946

        #18
        Re: We're Going To Struggle BIG TIME

        Originally posted by shearer

        The most disturbing thing though was the amount of times Roosy had to bring them in to get up them for there skill errors.Blokes like Fosdike & Bolton were repeat performers and to be honest i know of some u/14's with better skills.
        Ha why doesn't that surprise me. Ones an athlete and the others a mad as a hater hack who has just been re signed for another 2 years.

        Sorry but I still think that Jude Bolton is a hack. His PK attitude towards winning the ball is his only saving grace.

        If anything Fosdyke should have improved a lil on his disposals this year, but Jude Bolton cant kick full stop.

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        • shearer
          Regular in the Side
          • Jan 2003
          • 673

          #19
          Geez Diego you are brave, bagging the golden child like that.

          I think the Jude fans will be very cold this year watching him in the ACTAFL. It was a major shock to me that they resigned him, maybe he is worth a couple of thousand female members to the club, because he isnt worth a pinch of poop on the field.

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          • Diego
            Suspended by the MRP
            • Jan 2003
            • 946

            #20
            I don't care if he is a Golden Boy.

            he is basically taking up the spot of someone who can penetrate our forward line with nice foot disposals. Bolton runs around like a chook without a head most times and when he wins the ball he gives it straight back.

            I still say we could have maybe used him as trade bait..but then again we would not have received much anyway.

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            • Diego
              Suspended by the MRP
              • Jan 2003
              • 946

              #21
              Oh and if the club has that mentality that a good looker brings in the females no matter how poor his skills are..then we are really destined for big things.

              I thought the club learned with Jon Stevens.

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              • TheMase
                Senior Player
                • Jan 2003
                • 1207

                #22
                Originally posted by shearer
                Geez Diego you are brave, bagging the golden child like that.

                I think the Jude fans will be very cold this year watching him in the ACTAFL. It was a major shock to me that they resigned him, maybe he is worth a couple of thousand female members to the club, because he isnt worth a pinch of poop on the field.
                I agree with this. Jude may really struggle to hold a place in the Swans lineup IF he plays like he did last season.

                Players like Fosdike, O'Keefe, Davis, Fixter, Sundqvist, Schneider, Kennelly etc are either above his current position or will if he continues his current 'form'.

                If he improves great, if not he will spend the year in the Swans Ressies, and we will look for a trade at seasons end.

                If it proves to be wrong, I will have been right in saying we should have traded him this year while he still had some value.

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                • shearer
                  Regular in the Side
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 673

                  #23
                  Id say a can of coke and 10cents worth of frogs....i still remember him hitting the post from 10cm out against Port at the SCG this year.

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                  • NMWBloods
                    Taking Refuge!!
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 15819

                    #24
                    I think Fosdike has the requisite skills, he just needs to steady a bit more. As for Bolton, well...
                    Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                    "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                    • penga
                      Senior Player
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 2601

                      #25
                      i think there is a slight amount of promise with bolton, i think it was the richmond game when bolton hit magic on the chest off a lead from the goal square off his 'non-preferred' foot being the left... so if he switches to kicking with his left foot maybe he might start hitting targets...

                      the swans have never (at least since i started following them) had a player that could consistently dispose of the ball, id love a dollar for every time ive shook and then lowered my head after a perfect opportunity was squandered with a kick straight to the opposition. the best pass (by foot) that i can recall from last season was sunny to hall close to the boundary line in his only game... maybe he is the answer to all our problems????!
                      C'mon Chels!

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                      • desredandwhite
                        Click!
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 2498

                        #26
                        I've said it before and I'll say it again. The delivery highlight for me for 2002 was in the last game - Barry Hall to Stephen Doyle. If he wasn't our best option for FF, I'd have him permanently stationed at CHF, delivering to the forward line.

                        177th Senior AFL Match - Round 4, 2009 - Sydney vs Carlton, SCG. This is obviously out of date. I suppose I'll update it once I could be bothered sitting down with the fixture and working it out....
                        Des' Weblog

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                        • Diego
                          Suspended by the MRP
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 946

                          #27
                          yeah I agree there bud, IMHO i think Baz would be better of playing at CHF and sticking a tall down at FF maybe Doyle?

                          Baz has wonderful foot skills and is strong. great ingredients for a CHF.

                          i feel he is being wasted left a FF when we paly away from the SCG.

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                          • chammond
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 1368

                            #28
                            Can I take it that Jude Bolton is definitely the official anti-christ for the start of this season?

                            . . . or is it possible that Goodes, Nicks, Seymour, Warfe or O'Loughlin might be resurrected before a ball has been kicked in anger?

                            I just need to be clear, so that I can really focus all my resentment and angst in the appropriate place.

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                            • Diego
                              Suspended by the MRP
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 946

                              #29
                              No anti christ.

                              just a very average footballer.

                              simple really.

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                              • NMWBloods
                                Taking Refuge!!
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 15819

                                #30
                                Can I take it that Jude Bolton is definitely the official anti-christ for the start of this season?
                                Why should this season be different to every other...?

                                . . . or is it possible that Goodes, Nicks, Seymour, Warfe or O'Loughlin might be resurrected before a ball has been kicked in anger?
                                No, but underperformers will justifiably take their place in the anti-christ group during the year when appropriate. It happens in other areas of work so why not football.
                                Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                                "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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