Leigh Matthews comments

[BAM_BAM]

initially I called it Holding the ball, but after staying up to watch the fox replay I changed my mind and thought he was unlucky, definitely slipped over and had to prior chance.

[Mike_B]

I thought Schaubs was a bit unlucky, but given they paid a VERY similar one against Brown in virtually the same spot not long earlier, they had to pay that one. And Brown's was definitely a case of pulling the ball back in.

My biggest complaint about umpiring is the lack of consistency - at least it was consistent in these 2 cases.

[TheHood]

Brown was laying face first on the ground and he blatantly dragged it in.

Schaubes was upright on his knees, took clean possession and before he could dispose (NPO) he was monstered. BALL UP!

[liz]

Originally posted by TheHood
Brown was laying face first on the ground and he blatantly dragged it in.

Schaubes was upright on his knees, took clean possession and before he could dispose (NPO) he was monstered. BALL UP!

Spot on - the incidents were nothing like each other. Schaubs was completely on his own when he took possession, not in a pack, and then was tackled. He didn't even dive on the ball - he picked it up in his hands. He was already on his knees - if he'd been on his feet there is no way he would have been pinged. But unless the rules changed while I blinked, in AFL you're allowed to take possession while on the ground. It's IR where you're not. Schaub's only alternative was just to sit there on his knees and watch his opponent pick up the ball and run away.

That HTB decision was just plain wrong - and even worse than the one against Bolton last week.

[swan_song]

100 per cent agree with u Lizz....schaubs took posession of the ball and was tackled immediately...at no time did he "drag it in"....it was just another shocker of a decision that went against us (eg Carey's goal...and Bazzas unallowed goal earlier in the year when he bumped into the point post)...but hey, we showed em!!!

[Nico]

Originally posted by penga
a common problem for schauble...

Penga, have a close look at the replay. Schauble took possession, got to his knees, while being bear hugged,to dispose of the footy, then was dragged to the ground. He had no hope of disposing of the footy.

An identical free was given against J.Bolton last week.

Neither of them deliberately lay over the ball in the first instance, which what true "dragging the ball in" is deemed to be.

[sharp9]

Originally posted by penga
that was the most deserved free against ive seen all year, you cannot drag the ball in, schauble did and got rightly pinged...

It's not often I say something like this, but you are talking absolute crap, Penga.

Geez...he took possession. There is no rule against taking possession. There is a rule against taking possession and not trying to dispose of it.

[penga]

Originally posted by sharp9
It's not often I say something like this, but you are talking absolute crap, Penga.

woah dude, dont get ya knickers in a knot now!

i havent seen a replay of it and my instant reaction at the time without thinking of swans' bias was to yell 'ball'... at the time i thought it was most definitely warranted...

quite simply he shouldnt have gone to ground...

[scurrilous]

Originally posted by penga
that was the most deserved free against ive seen all year, you cannot drag the ball in, schauble did and got rightly pinged...

OH POPPYCOCK!! You fool! Schauble has a right to go for the ball just like anyone else. He wasn't "dragging it in" you moron, he was trying to make a play. Dragging it in is when you drag it back in to a contest. There was no contest. Schauble just got gobbled up before he had prior opportunity.

edit: OK. just read this post and now realise I'm being a bit harsh. Sorry Penga. But I still think you're a fool

[scurrilous]

Originally posted by BBB
Well if your perception of the incident is clouded by you seemingly having some problem with Schauble, then there is not much more to say other than we disagree.

roflmao. yeah it seems obvious now. say no more

edit: and this post.... sorry. Drink, post, bloody idiot.

[scurrilous]

Originally posted by TheHood
Brown was laying face first on the ground and he blatantly dragged it in.

Schaubes was upright on his knees, took clean possession and before he could dispose (NPO) he was monstered. BALL UP!

exactly. We have spoken. no further correspondence will be taken into

[sharp9]

Originally posted by Mike_B
I thought Schaubs was a bit unlucky, but given they paid a VERY similar one against Brown in virtually the same spot not long earlier, they had to pay that one. And Brown's was definitely a case of pulling the ball back in.

My biggest complaint about umpiring is the lack of consistency - at least it was consistent in these 2 cases.

They were not similar at all. Brown was lying on his stomach, surrounded by players. The ball squeeezed out, he reached out and dragged it BACK UNDER under his body. No attempt to paddle it, full knowledge that the players (who had already tackled him) would wrap him up.

Schauble was on his own, on his knees. He picked the ball up (still on his knees) and was tackled before he could dispose of it. there's no rule against that.