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  • SWANSBEST
    On the Rookie List
    • Jan 2003
    • 868

    Judgment day

    Judgment day
    By TIM MORRISSEY
    19aug03
    AT least four Swans, probably more, will be cut from this year's successful team list no matter how deep Sydney go into the AFL finals.

    Swans coach Paul Roos and the club's general manager of football operations Andrew Ireland have warned tough decisions will be made, leaving several disappointed players to contemplate their futures after this already successful rebuilding season.

    The Swans' performances, as a team and individually, in the last two games of the home and away season will not only determine how long they last in September but who will and who won't be around next year.

    "Depending on what happens over the next four to five to six weeks, I still think we've got a fair bit of a gap to close on the top teams," Roos said.

    "That's where you've still got to make hard decisions, so for some of the players it's a pretty crucial period before the regular season finishes . . . it's a pretty crucial time for a lot of the guys."









    Roos refused to mention any names but added: "Probably none pop up immediately because at the moment when you're playing well and winning games we don't really assess the list on a weekly basis.

    "What I'm suggesting though is that at the end of the year we can't get too carried away, even in a rebuilding year, given how well we've gone we still have to be mindful of where we are trying to get to.

    "We still might have to make some pretty tough decisions."

    After their phenomenal come-from-behind 14-point victory over dual reigning premiers Brisbane Lions at the Gabba on Sunday, the irrepressible Swans cannot be discounted as contenders for the flag. A win over Collingwood in their blockbuster clash at Telstra Stadium on Saturday night, followed by a defeat of lowly Melbourne at the MCG in the final round, would put the Swans on target to steal second spot on the ladder, guaranteeing them the double chance and two home finals.

    That would give the Swans the best opportunity to match the Sydney team of 1996 and advance to the grand final. But not even going all the way will stop the Swans overhaul their list.

    "The fact is there will have to be some change to our list," Ireland said. "The AFL draft is compulsory. You haven't got the option not to participate so you must select three players.

    "So it's inevitable with the way our list is going, especially with Heath James getting in the side and Amon Buchanan and Josh Thewlis still to come back from the injury list.

    "So yes, there are going to be some disappointed players."

    Ireland has been diligently working through the list re-signing Adam Goodes and Jason Saddington to long-term deals early in the season and more recently forward Michael O'Loughlin.

    He also has re-signed 2003 Rising Star candidate Adam Schneider and promising rookie Mark Powell recently and is in negotiations with the club's third emerging young gun, Lewis Roberts-Thomson.

    "He's a NSW boy, he lives in Mosman so I can't see Lewie going too far away," Roos said.

    "He has enough trouble getting over to this side of the Eastern Suburbs to be able to get down to Melbourne or anywhere else . . . I'd be staggered if he turns up in another jumper next year."

    WMP
  • footyhead
    Banned indefinitely by Moderators for posting totally inappropriate material
    • May 2003
    • 1367

    #2
    Thats what I love about Roos message :
    enjoy your footy while it lasts boys.

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    • BAM_BAM
      Support Staff
      • Jun 2003
      • 1820

      #3
      Re: Judgment day

      Originally posted by SWANSBEST
      Judgment day
      By TIM MORRISSEY
      19aug03
      "Depending on what happens over the next four to five to six weeks,
      I know this the time left leading up to the trade period, but is it also an admission of how far Roos thinks we can go?
      Here's my heart and you can break it
      I need some release, release, release
      We need
      Love and peace

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      • penga
        Senior Player
        • Jan 2003
        • 2601

        #4
        i love post season player movements!!!
        C'mon Chels!

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        • caj23
          Senior Player
          • Aug 2003
          • 2462

          #5
          So do I Penga.

          This year is going to be tough though as we've cleaned out the dead wood and don't have any duds left on the list. Unfortunately some favourites are in the firing line.

          Obviously Mcpherson will go, but who else? We have to de-list a minimum of 3 players for the draft, plus there is the possibility of elevating McGlone and Meiklejohn from the rookie list.

          Nicks and Warfe are both contracted for another year and are unlikely to attact much attention come trade time.

          Cressa may be changing his mind about retirement.

          That leaves the likes of Buchanon, Ablett, Stevens with big question marks over them.

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          • Charlie
            On the Rookie List
            • Jan 2003
            • 4101

            #6
            Out:
            McPherson
            Warfe
            Stevens

            Maybe:
            Nicks
            Seymour
            Cresswell (vet's list, so won't count anyway)
            Ablett
            Buchanan
            Fosdike (trade)
            Mathews (trade)

            Probably 5, I reckon. That would give us four draft picks, plus Heath and Meiklejohn off the rookie list. 6 if we want to keep the spare spot, or promote McGlone.

            My prediction:
            McPherson
            Warfe
            Stevens
            Nicks
            Buchanan (Sorry Monty, I know it isn't your fault, but someone else has to make way, and I reckon Ablett has a better capacity for a midfield role)
            We hate Anthony Rocca
            We hate Shannon Grant too
            We hate scumbag Gaspar
            But Leo WE LOVE YOU!

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            • caj23
              Senior Player
              • Aug 2003
              • 2462

              #7
              I could be wrong Charlie, but I believe that Warfe signed a 3 year deal two seasons back and Nicks signed a 2 year contract at the start of this year (why did we sign him for 2 years??).

              So if we delist them not only do we have to pay out their contracts, but the payments are included in the 2004 salary cap.

              So unless we can organise a trade we are stuck with them.

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              • Nico
                Veterans List
                • Jan 2003
                • 11339

                #8
                The reality is the reserves must always have a bit of experience as a back up, so they have no option but to keep some experience both for financial and that blend of youth and experience. If it means keeping those still contracted as against those not contracted, I don't think it will matter much as the experienced bunch we refer to are pretty much on a par.

                So it's an easy exercise, flick the uncontracted players, and/or trade for those that someone else might want.

                Carlton have already said they will be trying to recruit a few mid range players just to remain competitive.
                http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                • caj23
                  Senior Player
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 2462

                  #9
                  Unfortunately Nicks back injury means that he's never going to be the player he was, whilst we have a multitude of players who are able to play Warfe's role.

                  I'd be willing to part with Nicks and Warfe for Carltons 3rd round pick (maybe even throw in Frosty!).

                  As for Stevens, it would be a bonus if we could get a pick (or player) from a club willing to take a punt on him developing into a marking forward.

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                  • penga
                    Senior Player
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 2601

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Nico
                    Carlton have already said they will be trying to recruit a few mid range players just to remain competitive.
                    i say we throw them a couple of mid-range players plus stevens plus 1st round draft pick for their priority pick and get kepler bradley
                    C'mon Chels!

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                    • chammond
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 1368

                      #11
                      Given the Swans precarious financial situation, it would be a big surprise if they dumped any player with an ongoing contract, and it would take a leap of faith to imagine a queue of clubs wanting to trade for Warfe or Nicks.

                      I've been scouring my memory, and I've got a sneaking suspicion that O'Keefe, Stevens and possibly Doyle are out of contact at the end of this year. Any (or all) of them could well raise some interest at trade time.

                      Does anyone know for sure who's coming out of contract?

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                      • dawson
                        Senior Player
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 1007

                        #12
                        Regarding trades - any whispers besides the Akermanis one who we may be getting?

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                        • sharp9
                          Senior Player
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 2508

                          #13
                          Mal Michael.

                          Also Carlton can't trade into the first or second round draft picks....and they would never, ever, ever, dream of giving away their priority pick.

                          BTW I happed to come accross the article on Scott Stevens from the beginning of last year which said he was on the last of a three year contract.....So unless he is on a one year deal for 2003, he won't be out of contract, either.

                          I fear that due to resigning blunders (Nicks, Warfe etc) we will trade our only tradeable player who is not a Marquee player (Ryan O'Keefe).

                          Untouchables (worth much more to us than we would get in trade)

                          Hall
                          Doyle
                          O'Loughlin
                          Kirk
                          B1
                          B2
                          Davis
                          Schneider
                          Barry
                          Kennelly
                          Roberts-Thompson
                          Meiklejohn
                          Powell
                          Williams
                          Cresswell
                          Maxfield
                          James
                          Sundqvist

                          Expendable or not used but also not worth anything in trade

                          Nicks
                          Seymour
                          Mathews
                          Schauble
                          Stevens
                          Buchanan
                          Thewlis
                          Malceski
                          Ablett
                          McGlone
                          Hunt

                          Outside chance of getting something worthwhile in trade.

                          Saddington
                          O'Keefe

                          My reasoning is that these two players are in our best 22, and have played well enough to be noticed. Although handy contributors who would be much missed, we are not building a team around them.
                          Last edited by sharp9; 20 August 2003, 09:32 AM.
                          "I'll acknowledge there are more talented teams in the competition but I won't acknowledge that there is a better team in the competition" Paul Roos March 2005

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                          • TheHood
                            On the Rookie List
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 1938

                            #14
                            Originally posted by sharp9
                            Mal Michael
                            Is that just us RWOers wishful thinking or is it a serious market place whisper?
                            The Pain of Discipline is Nothing Like The Pain of Disappointment

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                            • ugg
                              Can you feel it?
                              Site Admin
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 15972

                              #15
                              I think its very much wishful thinking, I'm sure he re-signed with the Lions 2 weeks ago, or was about to.
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