who would you prefer, Solomon or McVeigh

[neored]

Originally posted by lizz
We wouldn't get him in a month of Sundays - he'll stay at the Bombers, I'm sure - but wouldn't mind Scott Lucas at all. Has become a great CHB this year, is big and strong, and can "do a Leppitsch" and go forward if needs be. Saw him on TF last night and he came across as a very thoughtful guy.

Firstly, some of you are dreaming.. actually most of you are.

Scotty wont be leaving the club, he has come through our reserves and is very close friends with Lloyd. He also loves being at Essendon, so he wont be going anywhere. His previous contract negotiations went the same way.

Solly has a business venture in Melbourne and the club is fairly confident of retaining him. If he were to leave then his preference would be to go to Collingwood, where his good mate Tarrant plays. The whisper I've heard that if Solly does go then it will be for Richard Cole and a draft pick. Richard was an Essendon fan who idolised Long and hasn't fitted in at Collingwood.

The only player that I am concerned by is Jacobs, he's a real professional in the way he conducts himself and I dont think he would allow emotions/sentiments to sway him. Add that to his demands; around $300,000 and were in a bit of trouble.

[TheMase]

Originally posted by Cheer Cheer
Solomon by a mile - When is mcviegh gonna stop being mentioned - HE IS ****EEEEEEEEEEEEEE - Get over the idea!

Calling masey, Calling masey - this is your cue

McVeigh = Super DUD.. that is all the comments required from me

[chammond]

Scotty wont be leaving the club, he has come through our reserves

And Caracella, Blumfield and Heffernan didn't?

How was their situation different to those on the list in today's Herald-Sun?

I would suggest that all that sentimental twaddle of wanting to play with your mates, or being 'loyal' to the club that gave you your chance, went out the window after last season's trading farce at Essendon.

Anyone out of contract at Essendon (and probably at Brisbane as well) will be worriedly looking over their shoulder for the glint of a steely stiletto.

And I agree, Jacobs would be a prize pick-up for any club, a fact of which he and his agent would be well aware.

[caj23]

Lucas: Would love to have but doubt he will leave the Bombers. He also wouldn't come cheap, probable 1st round pick and (decent) player

Jacobs: Interesting, but doubt that he will go, I have the feeling that his manager is talking it up for negotiations, would require first round pick and player

Solomon: Sheeds loves him and doubt he would leave, would cost 1st round or 2nd round plus player (no guys unfortunately not Warfey, Frosty etc)

Johnson: Sheeds loves his type and would deem him untouchable.

Mcveigh: Surplus to our needs, our (hopefully very) late 2nd round pick in a supposedly thin draft would be a genorous offer in my view.

BTW these are what the Bombers would want for the trades, not necessarily what I would give.

The more likely scenario for the Bombers is that Misiti and one of their inexperienced talls will be traded for salary cap relief, most of the guys mentioned will probably sign on.

[liz]

Originally posted by neored
Firstly, some of you are dreaming.. actually most of you are.

Not sure that's true. Haven't read any posts speculating we're going to get any of these players, especially any suggesting the Bombers bundle them all up in a package in return for Warfe, Nicks and Frosty.

Surely we're allowed to hypothesise about what players we'd like to recruit. You should be flattered that we reckon any of them are any good. After all we all know that the entire Swans squad is a bunch of talented hacks who have no business being in the top 8...

[penga]

what would you be thinking a decent trade would be for the bombers we have mentioned neored?

[sharp9]

Agree with most of what's here, but I'm not sure you have all been watching the bombers recently, Solomon is a hard in and under clearance king (plus kicking some goals). He has an astounding knack of getting his hands to the ball, plus clean disposal - he is clearly playing better than Cressa this year.

Lucas would be even better than Jacobs (but I'd take either to fill our CHB hole) Jacobs plays much taller than 188 - he'd only be the same size a B2 if that were the case. Great second efforts, plus chooses his options conservatively when in the air and disposes well.

Compoared to these McVeigh is not worth anything other than picking him up in the draft.

Bolton is proving very handy as well (B3 anyone?) but is not as good down back as Jacobs or Lucas IMO

[dawson]

I can remember when we were going to get Simon Madden.
Merv Neagle was good, Ed Considine not so much.

[swan_song]

Personally, I'd be very wary of taking any Bombers if they came available...I still can't get the picture of Bomford and Ryan O'Connor from my mind....now they were a couple of GOOD pick-ups weren't they!!!

[TheHood]

Originally posted by swan_song
Personally, I'd be very wary of taking any Bombers if they came available...I still can't get the picture of Bomford and Ryan O'Connor from my mind....now they were a couple of GOOD pick-ups weren't they!!!

From memory Ryan was the recipient of the Magarey Medal in 2001.

Bit like Gerry Bennett in that he can star in the Ressies but not take the next step consistently.

[neored]

Originally posted by penga
what would you be thinking a decent trade would be for the bombers we have mentioned neored?

I'd consider Solomon untradeable so unless you came in with a spectacular offer, or he specifically requested to leave then I wouldn't be interested in anyone. Hard at it defenders/midfielders are extremely rare, especially midrange in height and we've already lost Hardwick.

Scott Lucas is of a good height, versatile , and relatively quick. On the other hand he's one sided and occasionally error prone. I'd want someone of a similar height/build most probably Saddington + a draft pick 2nd round. The only issue with Saddington is that he has recently become injury prone.

Jacobs is another mid range height player, surprisingly good mark, good with his disposal and can play at both ends of the ground. The only drawbacks are that he's a little lightweight and is best suited to playing on the second best forward. Again there aren't too many players in your team that match that criteria, the only player that I think has great potential is Kennelly. But you wouldn't be interested in such a trade, so failing that probably a hight first round draft pick.

Again I wouldn't be eager to see any of these players go, simply because they're better than most other players going around. If we were to trade then it would have to be of some benefit to us.

The only areas of concern for our club are quick midfield types and ruck-men. With the exception of Goodes, O Loughlin and perhaps Kennelly none of your players would improve on what we already have.

[neored]

Originally posted by lizz
Not sure that's true. Haven't read any posts speculating we're going to get any of these players, especially any suggesting the Bombers bundle them all up in a package in return for Warfe, Nicks and Frosty.

But essentially you're still fantasing, supporters of every club do this so I'm not having a go at you. In the end we all know that trade week becomes rather predictable, all these players touted as leaving and then only a few move.

Surely we're allowed to hypothesise about what players we'd like to recruit. You should be flattered that we reckon any of them are any good. After all we all know that the entire Swans squad is a bunch of talented hacks who have no business being in the top 8...

Its like...... you've read my mind man.... I'm feeling a Crossing Over type career path for you.

[neored]

Originally posted by chammond
And Caracella, Blumfield and Heffernan didn't?

How was their situation different to those on the list in today's Herald-Sun?

I would suggest that all that sentimental twaddle of wanting to play with your mates, or being 'loyal' to the club that gave you your chance, went out the window after last season's trading farce at Essendon.

Anyone out of contract at Essendon (and probably at Brisbane as well) will be worriedly looking over their shoulder for the glint of a steely stiletto.

And I agree, Jacobs would be a prize pick-up for any club, a fact of which he and his agent would be well aware.

The situation with Caracella. Blumfield and Heffernan was slightly different. Theres no doubt that salary cap pressure was part of the reason for their departure, but the fact is the club wasn't a fervent in its attempts to talk them into staying.

Heffernan and Blumfield had 2 poor seasons and Caracella was a perennial tease. The coaching staff took the view that these three had reached their peak and weren't going to improve any more. It was also the view that the window of opportunity for the team winning another premiership had closed so it was better to undertake some moderate rebuilding so as we could be in contention again in a few years time.

Solomon and Jacobs are seen as our core players , Lucas is a little more expedable. The likely scenario is that Misiti will either accept a dramatically reduced contract or be delisted, so I think there's enough space to fit them in. Also add in the selflessness of some of the players when it comes to accepting contracts and I dont think any of the thre will be leaving.

The club got it right, just take a look at the seasons the three ex players have had, it was the right choice.

[Rob-bloods]

Yeah a lot of frontrunners in the Dons team certainly, remember when Barnard looked so good (to some hazy eyes) Blumfield was not available at any price, blah blah blah.

For a strong club Essendon are gross underachievers and I am sick of Sheed's deification from the Melbne scribes who are all scared of his column andf media clout......bring on more new breed coaches and send Sheeds & Malthouse to the Old Coach Home!

[liz]

Originally posted by neored
If we were to trade then it would have to be of some benefit to us.

If you believe media reports (and I have no idea of their accuracy) the benefit to the Bombers may again be to gain some salary cap relief. While agreeing that the 3 players you lost last year had dropped off a bit in form and/or were inconsistent, there's no way someone like Blumfield would have been let go for the measly return he netted had the salary cap not been a factor.