Jade Rawlings

[sWAns63]

We need a mature key defender & midfielder and thats not Jade, keep getting youngsters until someone suitable comes up.

[Triple B]

Dpw writes.

Good one, he has struggled when injurys have hit the Hawkes when they are near full strength he stars has not lifted the side when needed too and if you have seen him play you would know that, hence he plays as a mister fix it(utillity) than a gun forward.

More garbage.

Never said he was just a gun forward. He is a gun because he can play CHF or CHB and dominate. If you think he hasn't dominated games from CHB then it is YOU that hasn't seen him play.

Just because he can play back or forward doesn't necessarily make him a mister fix-it. Carey, Grant and Jakovich are 3 who quickly spring to mind who command respect whether forward or back. You would hardly class them as 'mister fix-it's (utilities)'.

Then again, maybe YOU would!

[penga]

Originally posted by BBB
More garbage.

Then again, maybe YOU would!

get over yourself!!! its his opinion... ball not man...

[Triple B]

I am playing the ball.

In my opinion, his opinions on Rawlings are garbage and I stated so.

Simple really.

[SWANSBEST]

Goaldrush

How can you be so sure that Rawlings will stay , particularly, in the light of $600'000 of relief required in the Hawks' salary cap.?

New upheaval caps Hawks' bumbling
By Patrick Smith
September 5, 2003

HERE are some words to chill your heart if you are a player. "It is all about how best to manage our playing list."

When the chief executive of your club says that, ring your manager immediately. You're just about to get your pay slashed.

It is happening at Hawthorn right now. It happened last year at Carlton and the Bulldogs. Players who have signed contracts in good faith are suddenly asked to renegotiate their deal as the club seeks either to slash debt or bring their players bill under the salary cap.

When the chief executive also says that players are understanding of the club's position and accepting their plight almost with enthusiasm, well, you know all hell is breaking loose.

Worse than the actual breaking of contracts, it is always the manner in which clubs go about this unseemly business. Players are given a choice: if you want this playing group to stay together then you'll have to accept big pay cuts. Otherwise a couple of your mates can pack their bags. It is emotional blackmail.

The Hawks want to keep their playing list together because they are confident it can go places. Not a wild idea given the way they finished the season. They have the problem, though, of finding salary cap relief of about $600,000.

From the outside, managing a salary cap would not appear an economic problem of overwhelming proportions, but it has brought the best CEOs great trauma.

The villain at Hawthorn is the dreaded back-ended contract. Roughly, contracts are set at very low salaries for the first two years then blow out in the third. It eases salary cap pressure in the first two years but can become unmanageable in the third, especially if the club has several back-ended contracts maturing at the same time.

That's what has happened at Hawthorn. Big-name contracted players are being asked to take cuts of as much as 25 per cent. So out comes the gun and it is held firmly to the players' heads.

All this harms the image of the game.

At worst, football is seen as some sort of shyster, fiddling money from one pile to another anyway it can. At best, it appears clubs are run by officials who couldn't make a coffee with two sugars without calling for a calculator.

In particular for Hawthorn this season it has hurt their image of a well-run, professional club able to keep matters in-house and in order.

Early in the season the club could not handle the pressure on coach Peter Schwab. The family club was feuding. David Parkin talked of "mummies boys". The club's official line - even up to last week - was that Schwab's future would not be decided until four weeks after the season. The club was steadfast on that. Schwab was re-appointed for two years before the last game.

On Tuesday, chief executive Steve Leighton said the salary cap was only a "line ball" issue and that he didn't think any players would be at risk. All would be made clear in a couple of weeks. Today it is take a pay cut or wave goodbye to your best friend.

Maybe the club has a timing problem. The team didn't turn up until halfway through the season and what president Ian Dicker says is four weeks is actually about 48 hours. As for Leighton, he could be too busy with the two sugars to worry about his diary entries.

No, Hawthorn the slick are starting to look a little like Hawthorn the sick.

They are not the only club with problems that threaten to stir emotions within the player group.

On Wednesday, Carlton football manager Col Kinnear made a passionate defence of the Blues' troubled youngster Laurence Angwin. The kid has talent but he has also been charged with stealing from the house of a team-mate.

"This kid hasn't had the background that some of us might have had," Kinnear said. "It's been wayward. He's standing there at the moment with his hand in the air, waiting for someone to help." Kinnear has pledged that help.

However, the veteran football official recognises that Angwin's presence in the playing group could be disruptive. Yesterday there was a report that Angwin had been involved in a fight with a team-mate after the last game of the season.

The club might be holding Angwin's hand in this terrible time for him but it is what the other players are prepared to do with theirs that could mean Angwin's continued presence with the club is untenable.

The Australian

[NMWBloods]

I don't think Hawthorn will trade Rawlings. I would think Holland and Barker are more likely to go.

[Rob-bloods]

Rawlings Schwab Pay cuts etc

This whole Hawthorn thing makes me smile, they have signed their coach up for two years and they are asking their playing group to take cuts to stay together??.. so they can all keep failing again?

What a lot of crap?

[sharpie]

Re: Rawlings Schwab Pay cuts etc

Originally posted by Rob-bloods
This whole Hawthorn thing makes me smile, they have signed their coach up for two years and they are asking their playing group to take cuts to stay together??.. so they can all keep failing again?

What a lot of crap?

Who cares? It's good for every other side in the comp, and it gives us something to laugh at! The Hawks and the Tigers are the new laughing stocks of the AFL. Long gone are the days that the Swans and the Saints cop it all the time! I think its great

[Dpw]

Originally posted by BBB
Dpw writes.

More garbage.

Never said he was just a gun forward. He is a gun because he can play CHF or CHB and dominate. If you think he hasn't dominated games from CHB then it is YOU that hasn't seen him play.

Just because he can play back or forward doesn't necessarily make him a mister fix-it. Carey, Grant and Jakovich are 3 who quickly spring to mind who command respect whether forward or back. You would hardly class them as 'mister fix-it's (utilities)'.

Then again, maybe YOU would!

The fact you qouted Jackovich as a player who plays well both ends of the ground shows you are a dreamer. For what its worth imo I think you are looking at another Holland could be,should be, but never was. I guess only time will tell.