Keeping the Doyle faith

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  • Plugger46
    Senior Player
    • Apr 2003
    • 3674

    #16
    Originally posted by midaro
    At the start of 2004, Doyle will be our third ruckman - behind Goodes and Ball.

    Assuming they're both fit, Doyle will be fighting for the third "beanpole" position with LRT (its unlikely that we could play all four from a team balance POV).

    Given LRT is a more likely KPP prospect (esp. outside FF), Doyle will most likely start outside our best 22 in 2004.

    Doyle's played 20 games in 4/5 seasons, he will get another go next year on potential, but it will be his last chance.
    He will be in our best 22, if fit, without any shadow of a doubt. He doesn't have to ruck, just stick him in the Goal square, no one will out mark this bloke. He can be a relief ruckman for Ball, and Goodesy can just run anywhere, and "let him play football", and doing some ruckwork when and where neccessary.
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    • Bleed Red Blood
      Senior Player
      • Sep 2003
      • 2057

      #17
      Originally posted by Plugger46
      He will be in our best 22, if fit, without any shadow of a doubt. He doesn't have to ruck, just stick him in the Goal square, no one will out mark this bloke. He can be a relief ruckman for Ball, and Goodesy can just run anywhere, and "let him play football", and doing some ruckwork when and where neccessary.
      Sounds right to me except the bit about Goodsey not backing up Ball

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      • BAM_BAM
        Support Staff
        • Jun 2003
        • 1820

        #18
        Originally posted by Plugger46
        Barring injury, this bloke will be a star! Someone quote me on that.
        absolutely Plugger! couldn't agree more

        This year was disappointing and given his build up to the finals you can not make judgements.

        Goodes plays his best when in the ruck, but with having Ball and Doyle available it frees up Roos to move Adam around if necessary due to his athleticism he can virtually play anywhere. By having Doyle in the ruck we really don't lose that much compared with having LRT in the ruck.

        Doyle also has the ability to move forward and kick goals. Why would we trade him?
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        • dimelb
          pr. dim-melb; m not f
          • Jun 2003
          • 6889

          #19
          AG can certainly play ruck - I think his game against Port in the QF probably got him the AA gig - but I like it better when he can roam the ground, float across half forward and launch an attack, or half back and mark our way out of trouble. His best assets are his size and mobility - let's not tie him into the ruck too often. And I wouldn't dream of trading Doyle - far too much potential. Anyway, it's a big advantage to have the option of backing up with LRT and Meiklejohn from time to time, especially LRT because of his proven versatility. Doyle and Meiklejohn need more time, and we are in the fortunate position of being able to let them have it.
          He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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          • Dpw
            On the Rookie List
            • Jan 2003
            • 829

            #20
            Originally posted by lizz
            The counter-argument is Ryan Fitzgerald. The decision to trade him when we did was, with hindsight, inspired (unfortunately for Ryan). I think this trade effectively netted us Powell.

            Having said that, I'm firmly in the 'keep the faith in Doyle' camp. His two bad injuries this year and last seem to be just bad luck - ie a Burgoyne recklessly jumping into him and then a seeming freakish knee injury this year - rather than the major joint injuries Fitzy kept getting.

            As for his talent, Templeton was quoted as saying once that Doyle was the most naturally talented player on the list. And he has put on bulk now, which should mean that when he can get himself on the paddock he should be able to be a very effective ruckman/forward.
            Agree with you lizz, always enjoy your balanced views.

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            • DST
              The voice of reason!
              • Jan 2003
              • 2705

              #21
              We are very lucky we got Doyle in the first place, why would we want to give him up now with all the work that has gone into him and just at the point when we will start to see what he is actually capable of.

              He was considered by all in the know a top 3 pick the year we picked him up in the second round, just thank god his dad played for the red & white.

              If at 27 he has not progressed (ie Stafford) we look to off load him then, but he has plenty of time to prove his worth and play the football he is capable of.

              DST
              "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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              • Jeffers1984
                Veterans List
                • Jan 2003
                • 4564

                #22
                Originally posted by DST

                If at 27 he has not progressed (ie Stafford) we look to off load him then, but he has plenty of time to prove his worth and play the football he is capable of.
                Exactly! Doyle is only 22 FFS! Plenty of time for further development and hopefully if he can stay injury free (and bloody stop getting freakish injuries) he'll be fine
                Official Driver Of The "Who Gives A @@@@ As The Player Will Get Delisted Anyway" Bandwagon.

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                • Bleed Red Blood
                  Senior Player
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 2057

                  #23
                  Nol doubt hell be great for us, if Ball can keep it together for a couple of seasons Doyle will be ready for taking on the best rucks in the game.

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                  • Ruda Wakening
                    Survived The Meltdown
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 1519

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Plugger46
                    Barring injury, this bloke will be a star! Someone quote me on that.
                    Martin Blake made a simliar comment ...

                    " BRIGHTEST PROSPECT Stephen Doyle (Syd) "

                    Sit down or i swear to God i'll have you shot.

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                    • stellation
                      scott names the planets
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 9721

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Ruda Wakening
                      Martin Blake made a simliar comment ...

                      " BRIGHTEST PROSPECT Stephen Doyle (Syd) "

                      http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/a...?from=storyrhs
                      He also predicted

                      "WOODEN SPOON Sydney "

                      as did most everybody else
                      I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                      We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                      • Ruda Wakening
                        Survived The Meltdown
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 1519

                        #26
                        Originally posted by stellation
                        He also predicted

                        "WOODEN SPOON Sydney "

                        as did most everybody else
                        Lol, i saw that . Actually, i thought at least that made his wrap for Stephen Doyle objective .
                        Sit down or i swear to God i'll have you shot.

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                        • Bas
                          Veterans List
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 4457

                          #27
                          I was of the opinion we should trade Doyle but only because of his numerous injuries. However, as Liz pointed out his injuries are nothing compared to Fitzy's and I hope Doyle has many injury free seasons with us.

                          MJ should stay on the rookie list again I imagine and hopefully will develop further. Don't forget that next year will probably be Ball's last.
                          In memory of my little Staffy - Dicey, 17.06.2005 to 1.12.2011- I'll miss you mate.

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