Simon Beaumont

[Plugger46]

Originally posted by DST
If yoy take that veiw to the extreme then Paul Kelly circa 1991 to 1994 was an absoute dud,

Totally different, kel was in his early 20's and everyone knew how good he was going to be. It's a bad sign when a struggling club wants to get rid of an experienced player, surely that tells you something....

[Dpw]

No way, its simple what would he add nothing.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Plugger46
Totally different, kel was in his early 20's and everyone knew how good he was going to be.

Really? I don't recall anyone "knowing" that Kelly was definitely going to be a great player in those early days.

Beaumont has shown that he can be a good player and he's only 28. I think some team will pick him up and he'll do well for them. I don't think we need him and I don't think we'll get him, but I wouldn't be overly-fussed if we did.

[chammond]

Beaumont has shown that he can be a good player and he's only 28. I think some team will pick him up and he'll do well for them. I don't think we need him and I don't think we'll get him, but I wouldn't be overly-fussed if we did.

Sums it up beautifully, except I would rate Beaumont as better than good. His last two seasons have had less impact, but I think that's mainly because he's constantly used to plug gaps (bloody big gaps!) in the Carlton team.

But where would he fit into the Swans team? He's not an on-baller and he's not a tall defender.

But then again if he's available for just a third round draft pick . . . . very tempting!! In a good team I think he could be a star.

[taurus]

Originally posted by DST

We all bagged the Richo as a CHB option, but if Beaumont is on the market for the rumoured 3rd round pick then this is the perfect deal for Sydney waiting to happen. A mature aged body that can play down back and play tall, would make a great back-up for Schuabs, Bolton and Saddington while we wait for the expected progression of Powell, LRT and Hunt.
...
IMHO this is a great bargin basement buy that would add to the side right now and for the next 4 years.

DST
[/B]

I agree with you, although I would only expect good 3 years at max.

[Nico]

I know a couple of dyed in the wool Carlton supporters who reckon there is not a Carlton supporter who thinks he can play. A genuine dud.
Why would you bother.

[DST]

Originally posted by Plugger46
Totally different, kel was in his early 20's and everyone knew how good he was going to be. It's a bad sign when a struggling club wants to get rid of an experienced player, surely that tells you something....

It has nothing to do with a struggling club getting rid of an experienced player.

Carlton are in a position no other club has or will ever find themselves in again.

The fact is that the draft pool falls away pretty quickly after the 3rd round and Carlton have put on record they need to give up some experienced quality players to get as many third round draft picks as they can to inject some youth into the club.

Beaumont is an obivous choice for them.

Rather than drag out the old cliches, I think people on this board need to understand where the current player market lies. This is not a struggling club off loading hacks, it is a crippled club (via previous administrations and draft penalties) trying to off load the only reasonable commodity they have to deal back into the earlier picks of the draft.

DST

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by chammond
Sums it up beautifully, except I would rate Beaumont as better than good. His last two seasons have had less impact, but I think that's mainly because he's constantly used to plug gaps (bloody big gaps!) in the Carlton team.

But where would he fit into the Swans team? He's not an on-baller and he's not a tall defender.

But then again if he's available for just a third round draft pick . . . . very tempting!! In a good team I think he could be a star.

I don't know about star, but I think he would be extremely useful as a third 'tall' defender or a third 'tall' forward, perhaps in a similar mold to Bradshaw. He runs off half back really quite well too, so adds a bit to the drive out of the backline.

[swan_song]

Very true, DST. I feel for Carlton supporters. Being a lifelong Swannie I know what pain football can bring. If it's not an actual soft spot I have for Carlton, suffice it to say they are one of the Melbourne teams I quite like (maybe tolerate is a better term). I have no sympathy for the previous administration, but have lots for the average Blues fan who sees his/her team in such a quandry, having to trade experienced players out of the club to get in some youth for future years...I wouldn't even wish that on SnDon or Hawthorn (well....on second thoughts ). My problem is that I think there is very little in the experienced Carlton players WORTH trading for, for us at least. A number of the better ones are nearing the end of their careers, and others are the type of players we are not in the market for.

[Plugger46]

Originally posted by DST
It has nothing to do with a struggling club getting rid of an experienced player.

Carlton are in a position no other club has or will ever find themselves in again.

The fact is that the draft pool falls away pretty quickly after the 3rd round and Carlton have put on record they need to give up some experienced quality players to get as many third round draft picks as they can to inject some youth into the club.

Beaumont is an obivous choice for them.

Rather than drag out the old cliches, I think people on this board need to understand where the current player market lies. This is not a struggling club off loading hacks, it is a crippled club (via previous administrations and draft penalties) trying to off load the only reasonable commodity they have to deal back into the earlier picks of the draft.

DST

That's rubbish. They've got youth everywhere, they need experienced players to make them competitive over the next couple of years. They might not have the best kids in the country, but they've got heaps of them. Beaumont was a good player on his day, in a good side, but when the chips are down he's pretty bloody ordinary. Why people would want to recruit players, from the worst club in the business, amazes me. Stick with the kids.

[DST]

Originally posted by Plugger46
That's rubbish. They've got youth everywhere, they need experienced players to make them competitive over the next couple of years. They might not have the best kids in the country, but they've got heaps of them. Beaumont was a good player on his day, in a good side, but when the chips are down he's pretty bloody ordinary. Why people would want to recruit players, from the worst club in the business, amazes me. Stick with the kids.

I agree they have got youth everwhere at Carlton, problem is none of them besides Fisher & Waight (spelling?) are any good and they know it.

Carlton need to turn over their entire list, both and experienced but they do not have access to the first two rounds of the draft.

I reckon they are being pretty smart about it at the moment, take a couple of your more expeirenced players that can still be of value and trade them for third round picks. They have just off loaded Allen to SnDon for a third rounder.

They were also rumoured to be looking to offload Whitnall for a first rounder until the AFL told them that they can't even trade into the first and second rounds of the draft.

DST

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by DST
I agree they have got youth everwhere at Carlton, problem is none of them besides Fisher & Waight (spelling?) are any good and they know it.

Yep, a lot of their youngsters have been pretty disappointing, and they have a fair number of 25-30 players.

They were also rumoured to be looking to offload Whitnall for a first rounder until the AFL told them that they can't even trade into the first and second rounds of the draft.

I didn't realise they couldn't even do that. I wonder if they would be better served at trading some of the players for a first round of the following year.

[DST]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Yep, a lot of their youngsters have been pretty disappointing, and they have a fair number of 25-30 players.



I didn't realise they couldn't even do that. I wonder if they would be better served at trading some of the players for a first round of the following year.

I was also surprised with that when I heard it, they truely are crippled by the current restrictions (but they do deserve it)

It would not surprise me to see someone like a Whitnall traded for a very early draft pick next year.

Denis needs to at least get three decent youngsters into the program at Carlton and have them up an firing as quickly as possible. He is willing to sacrifice the only decent talent he has in the 25 to 30 age bracket to get these third round picks.

You know something funny, they can't even bargin hard as the other clubs know that a 3rd rounder is all they are looking for and allowed.

DST