Do they just make this stuff up?

[liz]

From The Age

"SYDNEY

Severe salary cap pressure will force the club to offload Brad Seymour and Rowan Warfe, while Matthew Nicks has also been offered for trade. Swans are also pitching hard for Ray Hall."

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/articles/2003/10/16/1065917549440.html

Some of our current players must have had huge pay rises this year if we have "severe salary cap pressure", given we (reportedly) didn't use the cap allowance last season and have since lost Cressa.

[caj23]

agreed liz i wouldn't think we'd have any salary cap issues for 2004, nor would i imagine that any of these blokes are on big money even

this from Mike Sheehan in today's herald sun:

Geelong finally seemed to have landed a prize, with Ray Hall tipped to move from Richmond to Kardinia Park until a hiccup last night. The boy from Woy Woy prefers Sydney as his destination. The Cats may have been prepared to pay much more than $200,000 only to miss again

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,7581035%255E19742,00.html

whilst i take what i read at face value, i wouldn't be suprised if hall is a swan by this time tommorrow

[ugg]

Quoted from the heraldsun website

It is understood Sydney showed late interest in Hall, but he will not be heading to the Harbour City. "They've made no deals with us, so he won't be going to Sydney," Miller said

[Reggi]

It's just the logic of journalists

Sydney don't have any good players - seeking to offload three I Know of - must be salary cap pressure.

If we have salary cap pressure now - given how young our playing group os - we are in a whole heap of trouble.

Then again Hall - O'Loughlin - Goodes - Williams must be on pretty fair incomes

[SWANSBEST]

I was a bit bemused when I saw that comment about the salary cap pressure ,particularly when the 2003 figure was 101% compared to then cap of 115%. A few younger players like LRT have recently signed contracts but then also Cressa and Frosty have retired . Maybe the impact of paying out potential delistings together with the payments to any new players could increase cap pressure but I am doubtful l

[Scottee]

I would have thought the problem was merely to make room on the list for draft picks.

[liz]

Originally posted by Scottee
I would have thought the problem was merely to make room on the list for draft picks.

I would think so too, although by the sounds of it this draft doesn't run very deep so stacking up with 4th round or lower draft picks may not make sense, particularly with so many youngsters already coming through. Maybe it is a sign that they're keen to promote the likes of McGlone to the senior list.

[Charlie]

We could not possibly be under significant pressure.

The general rule of thumb is that your top ten take half the cap. I imagine that problems start when the top ten goes too far past half.

But after O'Loughlin, Williams, Goodes, Hall and Maxfield, I'd expect our payments to drop away a little. The rest of the top ten would probably be something like Saddington, Davis, Ball, perhaps Ben Mathews (remembering he signed a contract around 2001, when he almost made the AA side) and probably now Brett Kirk.

However, I'd be surprised if this group made up half the cap.

[penga]

didnt we go from the 101% figure down to about 97% after colless came out and said we would be insolvent by the end of the year???

unless we signed schneider and LRT at $500,000 each, that is just a complete crock!!!

[jixygirl]

It's hard to think that the Swans would be under salary cap pressure, especially with the players we have. I love my team but like Charlie said, our top ten players would probably not make up half of the cap. Yet again, it's just the media completely interpereting things their way. Haven't even bothered to buy the paper today because of it.

[stellation]

I did read in a story about athlete salaries (which was all to highlight how much Lauren Jackson was screwed over) and it had Micky O' at 400,000. I presume that was an estimate (not that unlikely I guess considering he has been an AA a couple of times and isn't a Sydney boy so there is the retention factor), and I can't remember if that was before or after he signed the new contract (4 year? is that correct? anyone? if so, 4 years including this season or starting next?), in which he was reported to have taken a pay cut to help out the club.

Anyone else have wild stories about how much our players are getting? Normally I see it as little of my business, but it -is- crazy crazy trade week so I have been sent crazy crazy mad about things like player salaries.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Charlie
We could not possibly be under significant pressure.

The general rule of thumb is that your top ten take half the cap. I imagine that problems start when the top ten goes too far past half.

But after O'Loughlin, Williams, Goodes, Hall and Maxfield, I'd expect our payments to drop away a little. The rest of the top ten would probably be something like Saddington, Davis, Ball, perhaps Ben Mathews (remembering he signed a contract around 2001, when he almost made the AA side) and probably now Brett Kirk.

However, I'd be surprised if this group made up half the cap.

I reckon they would hit half the cap - very roughly let's say:

Hall 500
O'Loughlin 450
Williams 400
Maxfield 400
Goodes 350
Ball 300

That's $2.4m from 6 players. It would easy enough to find another 4 players making at least $150K each on average (Schauble, Saddington, Mathews, Fosdike, Crouch, Seymour, Warfe, Nicks, Bolton, Davis, and Kirk must each make at least that).

However, I expect our lower players are paid a bit less than many other clubs, so I would also doubt if we are facing salary cap pressure.

I wonder how the salary cap is normally roughly divided - into top 10, top 18 and top 22?

[stellation]

Originally posted by NMWBloods

Hall 500

After Roosy complaints to Eddie that Barry Hall couldn't even afford a house in Sydney, he ended up buying one a few doors down from Rodney Eade.

[Go Swannies]

Someone in the Melbourne media commented, when Hall said he couldn't afford a house in Sydney - "what? On $650,000 a year!"

Remember Roos said that all he'd be interested in the trade period was one or two stars "not just good players" so sounds like he wasn't too concerned about the salary cap.

I wonder if there will be any surprises at close of business today?

[Rob-bloods]

IMO Hall a base of 400, more on games played and possibly goals (originally) taking it up by 50 or a 100.