Swans delistings

[i'm-uninformed2]

buchanan has committed the worst crime for someone short - he is also fat and slow.

goodbye!

[monopoly19]

Originally posted by i'm-uninformed2
buchanan has committed the worst crime for someone short - he is also fat and slow.

I know you're baiting and I'm gonna bite.

http://www.shirtlessafl.com/sydney/buchanan2.jpg

Far from fat, IMHO.

[i'm-uninformed2]

hey - if u find stocky slow men attractive that is up to u - if u think he's a good footballer, argue yr case for why?

[monopoly19]

Originally posted by i'm-uninformed2
hey - if u find stocky slow men attractive that is up to u - if u think he's a good footballer, argue yr case for why?

Firstly, I never actually spoke of his merits as a footballer in my first post - just that you made reference to him being fat (or is it stocky now?) which I don't think is completely accurate.

But moving on...as a footballer I think he holds significant potential for this club, and much more so than Nicks or Warfe (who it seems would be saved from delistment if Buchanan was to be). I have no doubt that, injuries and Adam Schneider aside, he would have made further inroads into the Swans top 22 this year. Admittedly, I haven't seen him play other than in the few games in 2002 in the senior side, but by all accounts he is a small forward who will, given time, develop into a midfield player. With Cresswell leaving, I think there's more of a place for him than there is for Nicks and Warfe, both who, IMHO, are okay players who will never have a great impact on the game. Why take older players who provide the club nothing that you need over a young kid who could develop into just the player we need?

[desredandwhite]

I would be disappointed, but not entirely surprised if Monty was cut from the list. I have been a fan of his, but a combination of bad luck with injuries and some less than sparkling appearances in the seniors could hurt him. Daniel Hunt... it's odd that he would be delisted as he hasn't been given a run in the senior side yet - of course the coaching staff would know better than I whether he'd be up to it by now anyway.

Would definitely be a bit nervous if I was any of Buchanan, Hunt, Nicks, Warfe, Seymour.

[BAM_BAM]

IMO Amon is the same type of player as Schneider. We watched him played some pre season games in 2002 at Manuka and he did well.

The question in my mind is, is there room for both, given we've got some good crumbing forwards emerge this year? Yes I think. But does he fit into our plan? I'm not sure.

I'd go with Scooter (McGlone), over Amon. I was very impressed with his play this year. Yes a small build, but very hard at the ball, either coming out of defence or the midfiled and is a great shot at goal (either set or on the run). I think he's one we can mold to either crumming forward or a Cressa type midfielder

[liz]

Originally posted by monopoly19
I think there's more of a place for him than there is for Nicks and Warfe, both who, IMHO, are okay players who will never have a great impact on the game. Why take older players who provide the club nothing that you need over a young kid who could develop into just the player we need?

Because Warfe, Nicks and Seymour have contracts and Buchanan doesn't.

Sad though it is to see any player go, like Des I'm not surprised. If you're small you either have to be fast or have some amazing attribute or ability, such as Mitchell's amazing capacity for clearances.

Very few players are able to craft a career as a small forward. The way the game is played nowadays, the forward pocket role is likely to be filled by resting midfielders. If you're not a KPP or true flanker you have to be able to take your turn on the ball. Schneider showed this year he can do this, even with limited fitness. If he's prepared to work hard enough I can see him playing a Williams type role in years to come. Not convinced that Buchanan will ever be able to do this.

[SWANSBEST]

SMH today 31.10.03



AUSTRALIAN FOOTBALL

Swans take axe to two

The Sydney Swans have cut two players from their list for the 2004 season: Amon Buchanan, who played just six senior games, and Daniel Hunt, who did not make a senior appearance.

[Reggi]

Rowan Warfe survives the axe one more........

Yeah - wonder if they are any chance for a Rookie list pot

[Charlie]

If Hunt - a young tall with potential to fill in a KPP spot - gets axed and Warfe - an old, battered warhorse who can no longer stop his opponent getting the ball let alone get it himself - survives, I will be very irate.

[chammond]

Because Warfe, Nicks and Seymour have contracts and Buchanan doesn't.

No doubt that's true, Liz, but I think there might be another consideration in terms of the big picture.

I refuse to consider that Nicks might have been in danger of delisting . But if hypothetically Nicks, Seymour and Warfe were delisted instead of Hunt and Buchanan, and James and Mcglone were promoted, by my calculations that would then bring us a maximum of 5 new draftees.

That being the case, the squad would have 11 players who have no senior experience, and another 8 who are novices (i.e. in the zero to 25 game range) . . . . . 19 players out of a squad of 38!

Forgive the convoluted argument, but my point is that even without the contracts, given the structure of our squad it would have been extarordinarily brave to dump three very experienced players to retain complete novices who haven't shown much promise.

[Noah]

Why is it that everyone thinks being delisted is a bad thing?

In alot of the cases, being delisted is one of the only ways a player can get out of contract to move to another club if they're not happy and haven't been traded.

In which case, some players would be estatic to be made available to move on and not devastated as everyone on here is predicting!

As if Nicks and Seymour wouldn't be picked up in the National Draft if they're delisted.

As this Club has found out in the past with players traded/delisted - one mans trash is another mans treasure - eg. Garlick and Stafford. Both players have played their best football after being picked up by other clubs after Sydney didn't feel a need for them anymore.

[DST]

Originally posted by chammond
No doubt that's true, Liz, but I think there might be another consideration in terms of the big picture.

I refuse to consider that Nicks might have been in danger of delisting . But if hypothetically Nicks, Seymour and Warfe were delisted instead of Hunt and Buchanan, and James and Mcglone were promoted, by my calculations that would then bring us a maximum of 5 new draftees.

That being the case, the squad would have 11 players who have no senior experience, and another 8 who are novices (i.e. in the zero to 25 game range) . . . . . 19 players out of a squad of 38!

Forgive the convoluted argument, but my point is that even without the contracts, given the structure of our squad it would have been extarordinarily brave to dump three very experienced players to retain complete novices who haven't shown much promise.

Very insightful comments chammond.

No use going flat out youth for the sake of it. While Nicks is not producing at the level we want, Seymour is constantly injured and Warfe probably past the stage where he can play whole games at the required levels all these players will bring something to the list next year at various times when we need them.

We now have 5 choices either in the national draft or pre season draft. You would think that 4 would be taken in the national draft leaving a spot for Hall via the PSD.

With both McGlone and James promoted, we will have a totally new rookie list next year with someone like Aaron Rogers added to that one, that could play immediately if needed.

Pretty good balance of mature players, young guns and draftees.

DST

[The Whale]

Have James and McGlone been definately promoted?

With the list

We have gotten rid of

Cresswell
McPherson
Stevens
Hunt
Buchanen

Plus
Empty Spot from last year


Then....
6 spots to fill

Round 1
Round 2
Round 3
Round 3

1 Spot on Pre Season draft?

Rookie promotion?

(38 Spots)

[anne]

Re: Swans delistings

Originally posted by Phil Tarbox
I have heard from a reliable source that Daniel Hunt and Amon Buchanan will be delisted.

Seymour, Warfe and Nicks were all very lucky not to be delisted.

Ray Hall was going to come to Sydney, but Richmond were playing hardball - I can't say I'm too dissappointed about this.

Your source is excellent - have you got any other news?