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  • SWANSBEST
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    • Jan 2003
    • 868

    Swans focus on stoppages.

    It is good to see that efforts are being made to overcome the problem. I would like to see Fixter play a role at the stoppages as he has the toughness and tenacity to win the hard ball at ground level. Jude also has the same qualities.






    Swans focus on stoppages
    12:56:06 PM Mon 19 January, 2004
    Karen Collins
    afl.com.au

    Sydney?s new assistant coach Ross Lyon has identified stoppages as an area that will need urgent attention if the Swans are to take the next step in 2004.

    Lyon, formerly an assistant at Carlton and appointed to replace Steve Malaxos, has a special brief to work with the Sydney midfield.



    ?When you analyse last season, they had some real areas of strength. Their accountability, reducing the opposition?s uncontested ball, their zones, and their kick-ins were solid.

    ?But in their stoppage work, particularly centre-square bounces compared to the top four teams in the competition ? which they were last year - they were a little off the mark.

    ?We will be analysing the top two teams over the last few years (at stoppages) ? Adelaide and Collingwood. Why are they good?

    ?Particularly Collingwood. They had dominant ruckmen not dissimilar to us, so we will introduce a system that will move us up in that area. That is my brief a little bit.?

    Lyon?s job will not be made any easier following the retirement of veteran Daryn Cresswell, one year after the departure of Wayne Schwass and Paul Kelly.

    Lyon still likes what he sees, however.

    ?Jude Bolton came third in the best and fairest so we are looking for him to back it up. Adam Goodes had a super year and so did Jason Ball.

    ?They need to reproduce that. You have the experience of Paul Williams, but it will be more the improvement underneath.

    ?Jared Crouch can keep on improving. A lot of our improvement will come from within. Ben Fixter who has played down back but might move midfield, and (Brett) Kirk had a great year and he will reproduce.

    ?But then you have (Luke) Ablett, (Jarrad) Sundqvist, (Adam) Schneider, (Nick) Davis, (Ryan) O?Keefe, (Amon) Buchanan, those types looking to go through the midfield."

    Lyon said he was excited by the drafting last year of Tim Schmidt, and Joshua Willoughby who are not ready yet, but who will be fixtures in the Sydney midfield down the track.



    WMP
  • bricon
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    • Jan 2003
    • 277

    #2
    their kick-ins were solid

    I think Ross Lyon needs to spend a bit more time in the video suite.

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    • robbieando
      The King
      • Jan 2003
      • 2750

      #3
      If Fixter can prove his fitness after the last year out, I feel he'll get a shot at Cresswell's position in the midfield. I think Schneider is the perfect option, but I think its too early to give him too much time in that position.
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      • undy
        Fatal error: Allowed memo
        • Mar 2003
        • 1231

        #4
        Originally posted by bricon
        I think Ross Lyon needs to spend a bit more time in the video suite.
        I agree, but I reckon every fan thinks that his club is weak at kick-ins. Its so excruciating when they turn it over and so easy to see what went wrong from above ground-level.
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        • Rizzo
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          • Jan 2003
          • 655

          #5
          Can anyone pull out some stats on kick-ins?

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          • BAM_BAM
            Support Staff
            • Jun 2003
            • 1820

            #6
            I didn't think our kick in's were that bad. Of course you easily remember the blunders, but overall, I thought they were ok.
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            • Ruckman
              Ego alta, ergo ictus
              • Nov 2003
              • 3990

              #7
              Originally posted by undy
              I agree, but I reckon every fan thinks that his club is weak at kick-ins. Its so excruciating when they turn it over and so easy to see what went wrong from above ground-level.
              How does one defeat the zone at kick ins. It was developed purely as a counter to Robert Wall's bunch but now teams use the zone almost all the time.

              A coach of mine had a response to the zone. He had the full back kick the ball straight to the opposition.

              Sounds odd but . . .

              The opposition player, was never one of their key position guys.

              Once the target was selected, our ruckman led towards that player.

              When the fullback kicks out ~ but gives the ball a little more elevation than normal.

              Because the ball is heading to him, their player is forced to camp under the ball thus providing our ruckman with a convenient stepladder.

              On most occasions our big man takes an easy mark against a small apponent, who frequently lost his feet which gave our runners a head start.

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              • stellation
                scott names the planets
                • Sep 2003
                • 9718

                #8
                Originally posted by Ruckman
                How does one defeat the zone at kick ins. It was developed purely as a counter to Robert Wall's bunch but now teams use the zone almost all the time.

                A coach of mine had a response to the zone. He had the full back kick the ball straight to the opposition.

                Sounds odd but . . .

                The opposition player, was never one of their key position guys.

                Once the target was selected, our ruckman led towards that player.

                When the fullback kicks out ~ but gives the ball a little more elevation than normal.

                Because the ball is heading to him, their player is forced to camp under the ball thus providing our ruckman with a convenient stepladder.

                On most occasions our big man takes an easy mark against a small apponent, who frequently lost his feet which gave our runners a head start.
                A good old ploy, but we couldn't really use it at the top level. Most of the weaker players in this league will be much more capable of spoiling/making a contest than the weaker players in junior footy
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                • NMWBloods
                  Taking Refuge!!
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 15819

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Ruckman
                  How does one defeat the zone at kick ins. It was developed purely as a counter to Robert Wall's bunch but now teams use the zone almost all the time.
                  Often the player with the kick-in plays on and runs the ball further up field. We do that more than most other clubs. The other way to do it is short kick in and then change direction.

                  I don't think our kick ins are that bad overall, however we do have periods when they are pretty shocking. One of our biggest problems is that we often don't have a tall marking option. Another problem is that Kennelly seems to have brain meltdowns every now and again when bringing the ball in.
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                  • Ruckman
                    Ego alta, ergo ictus
                    • Nov 2003
                    • 3990

                    #10
                    Originally posted by stellation
                    A good old ploy, but we couldn't really use it at the top level. Most of the weaker players in this league will be much more capable of spoiling/making a contest than the weaker players in junior footy
                    You're correct of course ~ there is a difference between the ACTFL and the AFL . . . and now the ressies play in it we know exactly how big the gap is.

                    In any case the essence of a clean break out after a point is avoiding predictability in the kick out (this is not to be confused with Irish brain explosions).

                    I think allowing a guy with a huge leap like Goodes to run a play like that every now and then could be fun.

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                    • bandwagon
                      Regular in the Side
                      • May 2003
                      • 520

                      #11
                      Kick-in stats from www.prowess.com.au.

                      Sydney were 16th for kicking-in to the corridor (only 17% of all kick-ins).
                      We were 15th for playing-on (23%), Carlton were last with 29%.
                      We were 15th for not kicking long (only 26% of all kick-ins), Bulldogs were last with 24%.

                      So, we tend to kick-in short and wide, or play on. Whether this is strategy or because we don't have enough reliable marking targets....

                      Also, Kennelly took most kick-ins (91), but 20% resulted in a turn-over; the average for all other teams 1st choice kicker was 10.4%.
                      Other kickers were:
                      Maxfield 80 (total), 8% T/O but 30% played on.
                      Williams 39, 3% T/O, 40% played on.

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                      • DST
                        The voice of reason!
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 2705

                        #12
                        Originally posted by bandwagon
                        Kick-in stats from www.prowess.com.au.

                        Sydney were 16th for kicking-in to the corridor (only 17% of all kick-ins).
                        We were 15th for playing-on (23%), Carlton were last with 29%.
                        We were 15th for not kicking long (only 26% of all kick-ins), Bulldogs were last with 24%.

                        So, we tend to kick-in short and wide, or play on. Whether this is strategy or because we don't have enough reliable marking targets....

                        Also, Kennelly took most kick-ins (91), but 20% resulted in a turn-over; the average for all other teams 1st choice kicker was 10.4%.
                        Other kickers were:
                        Maxfield 80 (total), 8% T/O but 30% played on.
                        Williams 39, 3% T/O, 40% played on.
                        Thanks Bandwagon, very useful stats and leads to one conclusion "Don't let Tiger kick out anymore".

                        Would also be interested to know what the stat's are like when we have Ball playing. Would suggest we go longer and down the middle more when he is on the park, but that stat would be to hard to calculate.

                        DST
                        "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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                        • NMWBloods
                          Taking Refuge!!
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 15819

                          #13
                          Originally posted by DST
                          Thanks Bandwagon, very useful stats and leads to one conclusion "Don't let Tiger kick out anymore".
                          I've been saying that all season!!
                          Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                          "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                          • barry
                            Veterans List
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 8499

                            #14
                            Stuey Maxfield should be moved to the back-pocket and take kickin's permantely. And kennelly moved up the ground, or a half bank flank.

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                            • Sanecow
                              Suspended by the MRP
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 6917

                              #15
                              With those stats, how can anyone on the coaching staff claim that "kick-ins were solid"? Can someone give them a ring because they seem to need some help.

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