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  • SWANSBEST
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    • Jan 2003
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    Swans to defend salary cap concessions ----again

    This time the issue has been put on the agenda by serial cap rorters Carlton. The main backer for action is Collingwood. The issue was supposedly resolved last year.

    Swans, Lions ready to defend their salary cap concessions
    By Jessica Halloran
    February 17, 2004




    The salary cap concessions being afforded Sydney and Brisbane are expected to come under renewed attack at a meeting between the AFL commission and club presidents today.

    Swans chairman Richard Colless is again likely to be on the defensive over the allowances but noted yesterday that Brisbane, who won their third consecutive premiership last year, were in a different position to the Swans.

    "Sydney and Brisbane are two totally different issues, it's cheaper to live in Brisbane than it is to live in Melbourne," Colless said. "We are two totally different issues. But it's all about structuring a level playing field."

    The Lions' remarkable recent success has had clubs such as Collingwood, Essendon and Carlton vehemently opposing their concessions, which were put in place to encourage players to move to Brisbane and then help the Lions retain them.

    Under pressure from Victorian clubs, the AFL last year made changes to the Brisbane and Sydney clubs' cost-of-living allowances, which are effective from this season. Over three years, the Lions will now receive about half the concessions they had previously been entitled to, resulting in the club having $240,000 less to spend by 2006, while the Swans will be roughly as well off as they were under the old system.

    Colless believes it is vital the Swans retain their allowances. "There's an abundance of evidence to suggest living in Sydney is more expensive," he said. "It's a tiresome issue, it's just a ridiculous distraction. You either want a team in Sydney or you don't.

    "I have no idea about what is going to be raised [at the meeting]. If so, it's for the AFL commission. Rugby league and rugby union would laugh hysterically at the short-sighted and blind views [of the southern clubs]."

    Colless said he would "just go and listen to what people have to say" at today's meeting.

    "It's the AFL's job. It's not really my role to defend it, it's one against 15," he said. "I support whatever is in the best interests of the game. . . The question is: do we want the game to be totally national?"
    WMP
  • Ryan Bomford
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    • Sep 2003
    • 652

    #2
    And the joke is that one main ringleaders is Collins from Carlton - what hypocrisy!!!

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    • Bart
      CHHHOMMMMMPPP!!!!
      • Feb 2003
      • 1360

      #3
      Re: Swans to defend salary cap concessions ----again

      Originally posted by SWANSBEST
      Swans, Lions ready to defend their salary cap concession
      BOOOOORIIINNNNGGG !!!!

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      • graemed
        Swans2win
        • Jan 2003
        • 410

        #4
        A similar story appeared in the age on the weekend from our long term tormentor: Ms. "i hate anyone not in yellow and black" Wilson.

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        • jixygirl
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          • Jun 2003
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          #5
          Every single year there is going to be complaints from the top Melbourne clubs (financial powerhouses I mean) about the cap concessions that Sydney and Brisbane receive. Don't know about Brisbane, but I know that the house prices in Sydney are more expensive than Melbourne to start off. Anyway, there are loads of other concessions that are handed out to other clubs that don't get noticed. The salary cap is, and always will be, an uneven one.
          Sydney Swans Premiers 2005 - The Mighty Bloods

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          • anne
            Regular in the Side
            • Sep 2003
            • 719

            #6
            Everything is more expensive in Sydney , not just house prices and rents. Other things that cost more include food, public transport, medical services, entertainment, petrol and even cappuccinos. I know, having moved from Sydney to Melbourne. Why would players want to outlay more money on living expenses to live in Sydney when they get good offers from Melbourne teams . The allowance must be kept for Sydney to remain competitive and to keep these players.. Brisbane is a different story as it is actually cheaper to live in than Melbourne. Also why should Sydney be penalised just because Brisbane is successful?
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            • EMJ
              Go Swans Always
              • Jan 2003
              • 1076

              #7
              Maybe we can give up our concessions in exchange for all the exposure on fox footy and channel 10 - Collingwood, Essendon, Carlton etc etc receive - that is big dollars to them in memberships and support.
              About time we wrote to fox footy - I am so sick of Malthouse's face on my television and Buckley and Sheedy etc - all their footy shows give them complete exposure all year.
              Give Sydney and Brisbane equal exposure and see if they change their mind on concessions.
              Love those Swans

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              • Nico
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                • Jan 2003
                • 11339

                #8
                Isn't it ironic that 2 of the 3 biggest whingers are the greatest salary cap rorters in AFL history, and the only difference for Collingwood is that they haven't been caught.
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                • robbieando
                  The King
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 2750

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Nico
                  Isn't it ironic that 2 of the 3 biggest whingers are the greatest salary cap rorters in AFL history, and the only difference for Collingwood is that they haven't been caught.
                  They admitted they were over the cap in 1990, though not by much and only because of injury payments
                  Once was, now elsewhere

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                  • SWANSBEST
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                    • Jan 2003
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                    #10
                    The salary cap issue might be boring for some people but it is integral for the Swans future prospects.





                    Cap deals in spotlight again
                    By Caroline Wilson
                    February 18, 2004





                    Sydney's six-figure salary-cap concessions are under threat again, with the AFL Commission yesterday agreeing to a second review in less than a season.

                    Brisbane, who also have concessions, last night would not rule out challenging any changes to their total player payments.

                    The decision to review the estimated $600,000 allowances for Brisbane and Sydney - designed to help them recruit and retain players - came after vigorous debate at yesterday's meeting of the 16 AFL clubs, the commission and league CEO Andrew Demetriou.

                    The Swans' extra money, which takes into account the cost of living in Sydney, is not under threat, although it may be restructured.

                    Brisbane coach Leigh Matthews said: "Not a lot of things have happened, have they, in the past eight months? Except that we won the premiership.

                    "The AFL will do what the AFL does. They run the game, although there are some fairly strong lobby groups that have a bit of influence as well."

                    Lions chief executive Michael Bowers said: "The fact is that all that has happened since then [the last review] is that we won last year when no one expected us to and we kept our players when no one expected us to."




                    The about-face by the commission, which last June voted to keep the benefits for Brisbane and Sydney but decrease them over a three-year period, has been mooted for some months.

                    Carlton president Ian Collins led the review push, supported by Collingwood and Essendon.

                    WMP

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                    • Ajn
                      Draft Scout
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 711

                      #11
                      I actually agree that there should no longer be concessions, we didn't need them last year and won't need them in the future. With ~6 million to divide, I'm sure players will be able to "get by"

                      A cost of living addition be enough for us to be on equal footing.

                      I'm sick of the arguements from both sides, we know the Vic clubs will have their way, let's just keep kicking their butts on the field.

                      Swans Premiers in 2004

                      Bring 'em on!
                      Staying ahead of the game...

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                      • lizz
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                        Site Admin
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 16773

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Ajn
                        I actually agree that there should no longer be concessions, we didn't need them last year and won't need them in the future. With ~6 million to divide, I'm sure players will be able to "get by"

                        Don't agree. Fact that we didn't use them last year is misleading IMO. We were a team who had lost 4 highly paid "champions, were touted as bottom four material and had lots of up and coming youngsters. It was therefore appropriate that we were paying considerably less than our maximum allowable cap.

                        As some of these youngsters mature, we hope, into quality players they will demand more money and their salaries (in total) can be expected to grow more quickly than the fall off at the top (as Willo, Maxfield, Ball) move on.

                        Squads go through cycles and so will the proportion of salary cap paid.

                        I would argue, therefore, that we did use the "additional" allowances but that these were offset by using less than the full amount of the "regular" cap.

                        An anomoly of the system is that Sydney are effectively allowed to pay less than 92.5% of their cap, unlike other clubs, and this is an inequality that maybe should be fixed.

                        I strongly believe that Sydney needs some kind of assistance in the recruitment and retention of players. Whether this is achieved via cap allowances, draft concessions or other means is up for debate but if we have everything taken away we will struggle to be competitive with the big Melbourne clubs who can offer players the attraction of playing (often) in their home states, having far more media access and attention and therefore sponsorship and endorsement opportunities and a far stronger football culture.

                        And however much the Melbourne presidents whinge, fact is that the competition needs Sydney and needs them to be as competitive as any other team in the competition.

                        I suggest that the concessions we are receiving deliver that. We have not dominated the competition to the extent that we should have done had the concessions been as "unfair" as some suggest. Over the past decade (coming from a very very low base) we have had our share of ups and downs but nothing that shouldn't have been expected.

                        The impact of the current arrangements has been blown out of proportion by Brisbane and Essendon - one which has been amazingly successful but which has also experienced some recruiting luck (eg Fitzroy merger, J Brown) not to mention superb team and cap management; and the other which grossly mismanaged its cap by backloading contracts in anticipation of what might be, rather than what is. And although they didn't have the same level of success as the Bombers, Calrton were guilty of the same by allowing a situation to arise where one player had so much of his salary deferred that he was due to take up close to 25% of the total at a time when injury and age were taking their toil.

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                        • SWANSBEST
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                          #13
                          I heard on ABC radio today that the AFl has not been swayed by the powerful Victorian clubs and that the current salary cap arrangements will not be altered prior to the current expiry date of 2006.

                          IMO this will allow the Swans and Brisbane to prepare well in advance for any changes.

                          Also a big wrap for Lizz , in response to Ajn, who put forward a very strong case for the retention of the current concessions.
                          WMP

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                          • Charlie
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Ajn
                            I actually agree that there should no longer be concessions, we didn't need them last year and won't need them in the future. With ~6 million to divide, I'm sure players will be able to "get by"
                            Do you understand what purchasing power parity means?

                            It means that in dollar terms, Swans players need more dollars to be as well off as their contemporaries in other cities.

                            Realistically, the players with the best deal financially would have to be the Crows and Power.
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                            • robbieando
                              The King
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 2750

                              #15
                              What do these clubs thinks going to happen if the AFL takes them away??? In any case they won't be taken away in one go, rather over a period of at least 3 years so that we aren't punished for the greed of the Victorian clubs, because we have to cut $600,000 from our cap in one go.

                              As Brisbane said they are getting punished because they have been successful and haven't lost enough players for the Victorian clubs liking. That is dead wrong, its pure penis evny
                              Once was, now elsewhere

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