Saddo - Bad Day or Bad Attitude?

[TheHood]

Look, I reckon it takes a while for defenders to gear up and forwards have it easiest at this time of year, BUT...

Saddo's play can only be described as arrogant at the moment. Trying to outmark opponents from behind, who the heck does he think he is?

At the moment, he really seems to lack ticker and really not sticking with team rules and not out to achieve team results.

He has two or three ok moments a game which involve a hansom mark but the simple things are just beneath him it seems. This has been going on for a year and a half now.

Jason is not in my top 22 at the moment and I would consider a stint down in Canberra to learn him some new discipline and show him what life is really like "beneath him".

[Rod_]

He is playing like a HBF not a key position player... Was behind and lacked confidence.. The return from injury - and has not regained any form!

Time on the ground will help - May need the other players around him to give him support, before he comes around. Still in my 22 at the moment - does need to lift to be a KPP.

He played in the middle for a while and had a roving position in the back line for a while also. Too many changes for me to follow.... Needs to have a few games with the others around and stay in one place .... get some confidence and defeat a forwards (Probally 2nd string forward to start) over a whole game!

Aaron Rogers look as if he is being groomed for a back line a standby option? Looked ordinary at times but did a few good things! Better than what I thought, for a first hit out?

Too may new faces I spend half the game with my nose in the record book checking numbers...

Liked Monty's game and McVeigh has been given the option to be the next Cressa. (Link man - setting up plays - running and run some more ball carrier) They need to play on the best to get better! Therefore Collingwood lost by 105 and we lost by 102 - 3 point win to the Swans next week?

Even though we got a flogging I did see some nice things for the youth. (We can't introduce this many young players and hope to win)



Rod_

[DST]

Re: Saddo - Bad Day or Bad Attitude?

Originally posted by TheHood
Look, I reckon it takes a while for defenders to gear up and forwards have it easiest at this time of year, BUT...

Saddo's play can only be described as arrogant at the moment. Trying to outmark opponents from behind, who the heck does he think he is?

At the moment, he really seems to lack ticker and really not sticking with team rules and not out to achieve team results.

He has two or three ok moments a game which involve a hansom mark but the simple things are just beneath him it seems. This has been going on for a year and a half now.

Jason is not in my top 22 at the moment and I would consider a stint down in Canberra to learn him some new discipline and show him what life is really like "beneath him".

Absolute rubbish, just like the game yesterday.

Second run for the year (coming off a year of soft tissue injuries) and you expect him to hit targets and judge all marking contests.

I would like to see who is your best 22 considering the lack of tall options we have down back at present ?

Saddo, like the rest of the team should not be judged now after a 15 a side practice game and a pre season cup game. Wait until at least 8 rounds into the year and then assess how he is playing.

DST

[TheHood]

Re: Re: Saddo - Bad Day or Bad Attitude?

Originally posted by DST
Absolute rubbish, just like the game yesterday.

Second run for the year (coming off a year of soft tissue injuries) and you expect him to hit targets and judge all marking contests.

I would like to see who is your best 22 considering the lack of tall options we have down back at present ?

Saddo, like the rest of the team should not be judged now after a 15 a side practice game and a pre season cup game. Wait until at least 8 rounds into the year and then assess how he is playing.

Soft tissue injuries must have been the reason he was attempting marks and not punching! There are times when you have to spoil, not out-mark your opponent who has that much delivery.

This is not new for Saddo either. Yesterday was not an unlucky day for him. His form is poor.

It would have been a nightmare for all defenders yesterday, but there still has to be some accountability and he's lacking big time and has been a heck of a lot.

[Captain]

Re: Re: Saddo - Bad Day or Bad Attitude?

Originally posted by DST
Absolute rubbish, just like the game yesterday.

Second run for the year (coming off a year of soft tissue injuries) and you expect him to hit targets and judge all marking contests.

I would like to see who is your best 22 considering the lack of tall options we have down back at present ?

Saddo, like the rest of the team should not be judged now after a 15 a side practice game and a pre season cup game. Wait until at least 8 rounds into the year and then assess how he is playing.

DST

I totally disagree.

Saddo is a senior player who must stand up and show leadership. He obviously has trouble sticking to team rules and his disposal was that of a rookie. If he can't do the simple things in a pre-season game, then it will be that much harder in the really season when the pressure is increased.

Peter Wilson made a good point when he compared the disposal of Stevens to that of Saddingtons. Both relatively senior players, however Stevens hit targets with every kick whilst Saddington was all over the shop.

Regardless of where Saddo plays he must improve. I think he is an important player and in the best 22. If he doesn't perform in the first couple of games, a run in the reserves would do him no harm at all though.

[NMWBloods]

Re: Re: Re: Saddo - Bad Day or Bad Attitude?

Originally posted by TheHood
This is not new for Saddo either.

This is the problem I have with Saddo in the backline.

He has a history of attempting to mark in the wrong position. He is a nice mark, but needs to understand that as a backman, you should be spoiling far more frequently than attempting to mark. Dunkley was an excellent mark, yet his spoils (attempt and effectives) were significantly higher than his marks and attempted marks.

It has nothing to do with Saddo's lack of match fitness and everything to do with his attitude/decision making.

[chammond]

I'm not going to get sucked into another stupid Saddo debate (although I'm buggered if I saw much wrong with his game), but it's interesting that he's drawing the flak, as opposed to say Schauble who got walloped by Fevola, or Kirk who got towelled by Stevens, or BBBBH whose kicking was atrocious, or Schneider who gave away a totally stupid nine-pointer?

He might not be Brownlow material, but he seems to be raising ire out of all proportion to his performance. Is something going on in Sydney that we're not aware of? Is he sleeping with someone's wife? or husband?

There must be some valid reason why a bloke who is going to play 250 games for Sydney should suddenly become chief whipping boy?

[anniswan]

Originally posted by chammond
I'm not going to get sucked into another stupid Saddo debate (although I'm buggered if I saw much wrong with his game), but it's interesting that he's drawing the flak, as opposed to say Schauble who got walloped by Fevola,

Schauble made Fevola look like a champion!

[Tooth Fairy]

I dunno if rogers was on fevola at the start of the game? But if he was, I was disappointed that he got taken off him. I thought he was showing some great stuff dashing away from his opponent to meet the ball. Agreed it's risky stuff, and it did cost him a goal (albeit fortuitous goal for fevola) but it showed gumsion in the young lad and a willingness to back himself.

[TheHood]

Originally posted by anniswan
Schauble made Fevola look like a champion!

Look the delivery inside Carlton's FF was constant and frequent. I don't blame the backmen for getting hammered as they did. What I am critical of was Jason's contesting. He should have been punching when he was attempting marks.

It's indicative of his attitude. His ambition is way exceeding his ability/core role at the moment. Needs to get back to basics!

[Doctor J.]

Originally posted by anniswan
Schauble made Fevola look like a champion!

Bit tough on Schaubs to slap all the blame on him.

A full back is only as good as the players around him, and when 3 players Kennelly, Matthews and Barry are missing out of our defence, add to that the early loss of Fixter and James, it makes putting together a reasonable defensive unit just a bit difficult I would have thought.

In addition our midfield clearly lacked any cohesion. No Bolton or Williams. Maxfield only playing half a game, and Kirk for whatever reason having a shocker, the delivery into the foward 50 by Stevens & Camporeale out of the midfield became all to regular. Schaubs must have felt like a mouse on a treadmill.

[Mike_B]

Originally posted by chammond
There must be some valid reason why a bloke who is going to play 250 games for Sydney should suddenly become chief whipping boy?

For me its because he's getting near to 150 games and is still making the same errors in terms of spoil/mark choices that he made 100 games ago. As someone else pointed out, as good a mark as Dunkley was, he always did the disciplined thing. This is what Saddo needs to learn, especially if he's going to be a leader on the field.

[chammond]

Bit tough on Schaubs to slap all the blame on him.

Agreed. But my point is: why is it okay to pin all the blame on Saddo but not on Schaubs or Kirk or whoever? Saddington may not have been at his best, but he had a better game than either of them!

As someone else pointed out, as good a mark as Dunkley was, he always did the disciplined thing.

That's always been a specious argument. Dunkley at 24 was nowhere near the player that Saddo is. Dunks was always just an out-and-out fullback, which Saddo will never be. In terms of pace, disposal and versatility, Saddo is light-years ahead of Dunks.

Dunkley made the absolute most of the skills he had, and that's what Saddington must do. Saying he should play like him doesn't make sense.

[monopoly19]

Originally posted by chammond
Agreed. But my point is: why is it okay to pin all the blame on Saddo but not on Schaubs or Kirk or whoever? Saddington may not have been at his best, but he had a better game than either of them!

I agree that Saddington probably had a better game than Kirk or Schauble, but I think people are focusing on Saddington more simply because both of those guys are pretty solid in their positions and perform consistently well during the season. Saddington on the other hand - we keep hearing how fantastic he is, and how important he is to the team, but he never seems to do too much that warrants it. He's a good player, but too experienced to still be trying to find his niche.

[penga]

i find it funny all these naysayers about saddington and how little they realise that one error in a game doesnt make a game bad

naysayers: did you watch the game on tv or were you there?

when watching on the tv a good spoil is hard to identify as the camera moves off fast... saddington also didnt have much to kick TO, up the ground, on sunday so can you expect him to hit the target every time?