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  • Reggi
    On the Rookie List
    • Jan 2003
    • 2718

    Barry isn't that bad after all

    Barry isn't that bad after all
    By Jessica Halloran
    March 11, 2004

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    Big Bad Barry Hall was not that bad last season and wasn't given a fair go, admits the AFL's umpiring supremo.

    Jeff Gieschen, the director of AFL umpiring, said yesterday there were times last season when the Sydney full-forward was treated unjustly.

    "[With] all players, from time to time umpires make the odd mistake, and there were occasions last year when Barry should have had got free kicks and didn't," Gieschen admitted.

    "The umpires are also coached and briefed and counselled after their performance on when they missed a free kick or have done something well - that happens all the time."

    Hall was awarded nine free kicks last season compared with Melbourne's 100kg full-forward David Neitz, who received a total of 18, while star Essendon forward Matthew Lloyd was given 16.

    Swans officials met umpires several times last year and forwarded a video compilation of Hall's treatment to Gieschen and umpires' coach Rowan Sawers last July seeking to clarify why the player had not been awarded free kicks in certain situations.

    Last year Swans coach Paul Roos stated there was a stigma attached to the forward and that: "Unfortunately for Barry, he gets judged differently to 99 per cent of players in AFL."

    Yesterday Roos was pleased the umpires had acknowledged their mistakes.

    "Firstly, to probably their credit, we know people make mistakes, and there's certainly been some mistakes. That's the first step [acknowledgement]," Roos said.

    "The second step is to minimise those mistakes and make sure they don't happen so often."

    Hall's tribunal record is hardly a pretty one, but last year, for the first time in four seasons, he was not penalised by the AFL tribunal. He beat a head-butting charge involving Carlton's Simon Beaumont in round 16 last year.

    However, Hall has appeared at the tribunal eight times and been found guilty five times.

    Most recently he was banned for five weeks (face clawing) in 2002. In 2001 he copped three weeks for striking, and one week in 2000 for head-butting.

    Meanwhile, Ben Mathews is a chance to play his first match of the pre-season this weekend in Newcastle against Essendon, while Michael O'Loughlin, who has been recovering from knee tendonitis, may also play his first game.

    "He might play. He wasn't going to play Monday or Tuesday, it depends how he pulls up from training. If he pulls up OK we might give him some restricted game time," club doctor Nathan Gibbs said of O'Loughlin.

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    You don't ban those who supported your opponent, you make them wallow in their loserdom by covering your victory! You sit them in the front row. You give them a hat! Toby Ziegler
  • Mike_B
    Peyow Peyow
    • Jan 2003
    • 6267

    #2
    How many of Bazza's 9 free kicks did he actually earn though by chasing and tackling to win a holding the ball free kick? I'd take a guess and say at least 3 or 4. How many would Neitz or Lloyd have earned that way....Matthew Lloyd making a tackle.....yeah right.

    List the number of frees given for being infringed upon, not all up, that's a much better reflection.....until then, you can produce stats like those that cover over the reality of what's really going on...

    I'm on the Chandwagon!!!

    If you cannot compete for the premiership, it's better to be young and exciting than middle-aged and dowdy.

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    • Wardy
      The old Boiler!
      • Sep 2003
      • 6676

      #3
      Yeah it was great to see, I just hope that it when it comes to games this year that he gets a fair go.

      I hope that umpire Goldspink read the article, although he is so arrogant, he never would admit he was ever wrong anyway.

      Only 16 more sleeps til our boys beat the Lions!

      have a great day Ya'all
      I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure..................
      Chickens drink - but they don't pee!
      AGE IS ONLY IMPORTANT FOR TWO THINGS - WINE & CHEESE!

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      • EMJ
        Go Swans Always
        • Jan 2003
        • 1076

        #4
        Wardy like your comment "16 more sleeps till our boys beat the Lions"
        Would be great but I am worried - would be a dream start but now no Saddington, no Fixter, probably no O'Loughlin etc.

        Still I have confidence I think in the boys and in Roos.
        Love those Swans

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        • Wardy
          The old Boiler!
          • Sep 2003
          • 6676

          #5
          Have faith Janpa!!!, I felt like this the same time last year and didnt
          think we had an icecreams hope in hell of doing any good - and how wrong can ya be?

          So hopefullly this year it will be another successful time - from memory didnt we beat the Lions without Magic the first time we played them at the SCG last year?

          I think (I'm not sure though) that both Brown & Leptich are out
          and Kirk can keep Ackers quiet.

          Well - I'm still predicting a Swans win - wont be a walk over
          though - 1 point is enough!

          cheers
          I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure..................
          Chickens drink - but they don't pee!
          AGE IS ONLY IMPORTANT FOR TWO THINGS - WINE & CHEESE!

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          • NMWBloods
            Taking Refuge!!
            • Jan 2003
            • 15819

            #6
            Originally posted by janpa
            Wardy like your comment "16 more sleeps till our boys beat the Lions"
            Would be great but I am worried - would be a dream start but now no Saddington, no Fixter, probably no O'Loughlin etc.
            You mean no Schauble, not Saddington?
            Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

            "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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            • Wardy
              The old Boiler!
              • Sep 2003
              • 6676

              #7
              Hey gotta say I just love the Colonel Klink pic!
              I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure..................
              Chickens drink - but they don't pee!
              AGE IS ONLY IMPORTANT FOR TWO THINGS - WINE & CHEESE!

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              • CureTheSane
                Carpe Noctem
                • Jan 2003
                • 5032

                #8
                Umpires make mistakes.

                Perhaps Barry was hardly done by, but I am actually quite shocked that he was so close to the other forwards.

                Great to see the umps come out and say they made mistakes.
                The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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                • lizz
                  Veteran
                  Site Admin
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 16773

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Wardy
                  and Kirk can keep Ackers quiet.

                  that would probably be Crouch, would it not...?

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                  • Wardy
                    The old Boiler!
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 6676

                    #10
                    lizz, you are right - 1000 apologies.
                    I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure..................
                    Chickens drink - but they don't pee!
                    AGE IS ONLY IMPORTANT FOR TWO THINGS - WINE & CHEESE!

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                    • Ryan Bomford
                      On the Rookie List
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 652

                      #11
                      I can't honestly tell if Barry is dudded by the umps or not, but I have observed that Hall lacks any real penalty milking skills, like falling flat on your face like you've been felled by a sledge hammer in the back when you find yourself hopelessly underneath the ball. A ploy that a player like Lloyd exercises to perfection.

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                      • Wardy
                        The old Boiler!
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 6676

                        #12
                        Ah yes, Lloyd the "penalty puller", he has turned it into an art form.
                        I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure..................
                        Chickens drink - but they don't pee!
                        AGE IS ONLY IMPORTANT FOR TWO THINGS - WINE & CHEESE!

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                        • Reggi
                          On the Rookie List
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 2718

                          #13
                          Originally posted by CureTheSane
                          Umpires make mistakes.

                          Perhaps Barry was hardly done by, but I am actually quite shocked that he was so close to the other forwards.

                          Great to see the umps come out and say they made mistakes.
                          As Digger used to say...

                          Ain't how many you get, it's where you get em

                          and I would add when
                          You don't ban those who supported your opponent, you make them wallow in their loserdom by covering your victory! You sit them in the front row. You give them a hat! Toby Ziegler

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                          • NMWBloods
                            Taking Refuge!!
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 15819

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Wardy
                            Hey gotta say I just love the Colonel Klink pic!
                            Thanks!
                            Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                            "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                            • Doctor J.
                              Senior Player
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 1310

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Ryan Bomford
                              I can't honestly tell if Barry is dudded by the umps or not, but I have observed that Hall lacks any real penalty milking skills, like falling flat on your face like you've been felled by a sledge hammer in the back when you find yourself hopelessly underneath the ball. A ploy that a player like Lloyd exercises to perfection.
                              Matthew Lloyd has a web-site that contains all the instructions that a player needs on how to stage for a free kick.

                              Check out: www.louganis.com

                              Read it all, and before you know it you will be doing a dive with pike and a 3.5 degree of difficulty and surfacing with the pill courtesy of a free from the umpy.

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