Inside Football Ratings

**chammond** · 11 March 2004, 09:49 AM

Re: Inside Football Ratings

Originally posted by Ruckman
Inside Football's done it's annual preseason rating of Swans players.

#4 Michael O'Loughlan

did they really spell it like this?

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#8 Jason Saddington (Many would view this as a bit strange)

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Many? I doubt it. Just a handful on this board.

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#22 Rowan Warfe (???????????????)

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Oh no. Warfe's in our best 22! Don't tell me we've misjudged him as well?

**Jeffers1984** · 11 March 2004, 09:57 AM

Re: Re: Inside Football Ratings

[QUOTE]Originally posted by chammond
[B]did they really spell it like this?

As president of the "i'm sick of people constantly spelling O'Loughlin as O'Laughlin " Faction , i am utterly appaled by that spelling, but at least it's a better effort than O'Laughlin

***NMWBloods*** · 11 March 2004, 10:43 AM

Is this a rating on the best players in the side or most important or something else?

In terms of a mix of importance to the team, contribution and ability, I would rate it something like this:

#1 Adam Goodes
#2 Barry Hall
#3 Jason Ball
#4 Michael O'Loughlin
#5 Jude Bolton
#6 Paul Williams
#7 Stuart Maxfield
#8 Brett Kirk
#9 Jared Crouch
#10 Leo Barry
#11 Andrew Schauble
#12 Craig Bolton
#13 Ben Mathews
#14 Tadgh Kennelly
#15 Jason Saddington
#16 Nic Fosdike
#17 Nick Davis
#18 Adam Schneider
#19 LRT
#20 Ryan O'Keefe
#21 Stephen Doyle
#22 Matthew Nicks
#23 Rowan Warfe
#24 Luke Ablett
#25 Ben Fixter
#26 Jarred Sundqvist
#27 Heath James
#28 Mark Powell
#29 James Meiklejohn
#30 Amon Buchanan

Some of these players - like Davis, Saddington and Schneider - have the potential to move maybe 10 places up the ranking if they play to their ability.

**CureTheSane** · 11 March 2004, 11:12 AM

I like NMW's list much better.

Very close to what I would be typing if I coul dbe stuffed.

Jude at 3?

please.....

**liz** · 11 March 2004, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Is this a rating on the best players in the side or most important or something else?

In previous year's it has been clear that it has been based on "importance", though this doesn't seem as obvious this year. And in line with the normal standards of journalism in IF, I don't think they've ever defined any criteria.

I also note that Ben Casenella wrote that section (at least on the Swans) and from his previous ramblings about Sydney (incl match reports and a post season analysis at the end of 2003) I doubt whether he watches the Swans play more than once or twice a year.

**Charlie** · 11 March 2004, 02:56 PM

IF's one is all over the shop.

NMW - I'd give your's a B+. Still a few wonky ones (don't think Crouch is in the top 10... Maxfield was the unlucky 11th player when I posted my top 10 on Bigfooty).

Will post mine a bit later.

***NMWBloods*** · 11 March 2004, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by Charlie
NMW - I'd give your's a B+. Still a few wonky ones (don't think Crouch is in the top 10... Maxfield was the unlucky 11th player when I posted my top 10 on Bigfooty).

I moved Maxfield around all over the place. I probably would have had him lower although I think as captain he adds something when in the side.

I think some people underestimate the value Crouch gives to this team, although top 10 might be a fraction too high.

Warfe and Nicks are probably lucky to be so high, however they can still add something to the team as reserves, while the ones below them have not proven yet whether they can regularly stay on the park and become full-time AFL fixtures.

I nearly didn't bother putting the list up as it is probably better to put the players in blocks (eg: groups of 5) of core players than in specific order. I just thought some of the list was a bit out.

**Captain** · 12 March 2004, 09:23 AM

This is your Captains ratings (based on a combination of ability and then importance to the team):

#1 Adam Goodes
#2 Barry Hall
#3 Paul Williams
#4 Michael O'Loughlin
#5 Jason Ball
#6 Jude Bolton
#7 Brett Kirk
#8 Stuart Maxfield
#9 Tadgh Kennelly
#10 Andrew Schauble
#11 Craig Bolton
#12 Leo Barry
#13 Nick Davis
#14 Adam Schneider
#15 Jason Saddington
#16 Jared Crouch
#17 Ben Mathews
#18 Nic Fosdike
#19 Stephen Doyle
#20 LRT
#21 Ryan O'Keefe
#22 Matthew Nicks
#23 Ben Fixter
#24 Heath James
#25 Matt Rodgers
#26 Jarred Sundqvist
#27 Rowan Warfe
#28 Luke Ablett
#29 Mark Powell
#30 Amon Buchanan
#31 James Meiklejohn

**Charlie** · 12 March 2004, 10:42 AM

Well... here goes...forgot to do this last night.

Combination of importance and ability, with weighting where necessary in favour of importance. Anyone who bothers to look will see that this is not the same as my lists on Bigfooty, but that's because this is a combined list, not separate lists like I did there.

1. Goodes
2. Hall
3. O'Loughlin
4. Schauble
5. Ball
6. Williams
7. Barry
8. J.Bolton
9. Kirk
10. Kennelly
11. Maxfield
12. C.Bolton
13. Crouch
14. Davis (top five in talent)
15. Mathews
16. Fosdike
17. Saddington
18. Schneider
19. Doyle
20. O'Keefe
21. Roberts-Thomson
22. Fixter
23. Nicks
24. James
25. Ablett
26. Powell
27. Sundqvist
28. Warfe
29. Meiklejohn
30. Buchanan

**CureTheSane** · 12 March 2004, 11:11 AM

I bothered to look.

And I will also bother to comment, because it's easier than doing my own list...

1. Goodes
2. Hall
3. O'Loughlin
4. Schauble (down a fair bit)
5. Ball
6. Williams
7. Barry (down a bit)
8. J.Bolton (down a bit)
9. Kirk
10. Kennelly
11. Maxfield (up a bit, because I believe his leadership is underestimated)
12. C.Bolton
13. Crouch (up a bit)
14. Davis (up a lot)
15. Mathews
16. Fosdike
17. Saddington
18. Schneider (Up a lot)
19. Doyle (up a lot)
20. O'Keefe
21. Roberts-Thomson
22. Fixter (upa fair bit)
23. Nicks
24. James
25. Ablett (up a lot by the end of the season)
26. Powell
27. Sundqvist
28. Warfe
29. Meiklejohn (up a bit)
30. Buchanan

**Charlie** · 12 March 2004, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by CureTheSane
4. Schauble (down a fair bit)
7. Barry (down a bit)
8. J.Bolton (down a bit)
11. Maxfield (up a bit, because I believe his leadership is underestimated)
13. Crouch (up a bit)
14. Davis (up a lot)
18. Schneider (Up a lot)
19. Doyle (up a lot)
22. Fixter (upa fair bit)
25. Ablett (up a lot by the end of the season)
29. Meiklejohn (up a bit)

I'm confident I can defend all of these.

Schauble - Most here don't seem to realise it, but Schaubes is one of the game's most effective defenders. He doesn't get the plaudits that are reserved for Scarlett, Fletcher, Leppitsch and Michael, but last year, he was second only to Darryl Wakelin in terms of lowest number of goals conceded to his direct opponent per game. That becomes more impressive when you consider that we weren't very strong at centre clearances throughout the year. We are sure as hell going to miss him in the opening rounds. So, based on his vastly underrated effectiveness and his importance to the side's structure as our number one backman, I felt #4 was justified.

Barry - Again, I think you've underestimated how important he is to the team. He and Kennelly are responsible for a massive amount of the drive we get out of defence, they are the foundation of our running attack, the style that allows us to have a very high efficiency rating and beat clubs that get more of the ball. At this stage, I rate Barry as a better player than Tiger, mostly due to the fact he has heaps more experience. He leaves a bigger hole on a half-back flank for Sydney if he's out than most flankers at other clubs would leave for their clubs.

Bolton - I must admit I'm surprised. I was expecting someone to say he should be higher. Regardless, he is a developing leader in the midfield, and competes pretty strongly with Williams for the #1 ranking in the middle. He's not the most talented player in the side (although still top 10 imo), but his form will dictate to a large degree how much of the ball we get out of the centre. That gets him a top 10 spot on importance alone, I'd say.

Maxfield - As I posted earlier, he was very nearly in my top 10. The reason I went with Tadhg is two-fold; Tiger is more important to the teams' structure and gameplan, and Maxi's leadership is helped immensely by a very large and very good leadership group. Not only is there the ten man leadership group, but you've got to consider that players like Goodes and Hall were NOT in the leadership group. As I said, he was very close to the top 10. But in the end, I felt the club could better function without Maxi in a match than it could without Kennelly.

Crouch - This was a tough one. On the one hand, he is very effective at smothering players. He is not, however, as effective as Brett Kirk. Kirk not only takes out a star midfielder as a threat, but he adds one through his own possessions. These two did the same job in a lot of matches last year, but the difference can be shown by the fact that Kirk averaged 15.3 possessions per game, as opposed to Crouch who averaged 10.1. I don't think that when looking at the players above him, there's really any who you could argue should be lower than him.

Davis - I'd agree with you that he should be up a lot - if the criteria was ability only. But it's not. It's also got a lot to do with importance, and until Davis starts to contribute as much as the players above him, he can't be considered as important as them. And as such, he doesn't really justify being higher. He is the one player, however, with the most potential to storm up the list this year. If he converts his ability into performance, he could quite easily enter the top five.

I'll do the rest in a separate post, a little later. This one's long enough.

**CureTheSane** · 12 March 2004, 06:35 PM

Charlie, you don't need to defend those.

Ther eis nothing to defend.

I was pretty happy with your list.

I added my fine tuning to suit my opinion.

**Charlie** · 12 March 2004, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by CureTheSane
Charlie, you don't need to defend those.

Ther eis nothing to defend.

I was pretty happy with your list.

I added my fine tuning to suit my opinion.

I realise this, but I had every intention of posting my rationale for any queried player.

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