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  • b0ek
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    • Jan 2003
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    The Manuka Showdown

    This piece isn't on the web anywhere that I can find (I've typed it up). I think it's from todays Canberra Times (I found it in a liftout section on the table with no markings/date).

    The Manuka Showdown

    Australian Football
    By Scott Walsh

    There are few bigger contrasts in the AFL that that which exists between the Kangaroos and Sydney.

    On one hand are the perennial battlers, scrappers and fighters from the modest Arden Street ground in North Melbourne, with their small but dedicated band of die-hard supporters.

    On the other are the silver-tailed Swans, from "Club Chardonnay", decked out in comparatively lavish surrounds inside the Sydney Cricket Ground, with their fair-weather supporters and history of flashy full-forwards.

    The Kangaroos stem from the tribal environment of suburban Melbourne football, dating back to when they joined the then Victorian Football League in 1925 with Footscray and Hawthorn.

    Although the Swans are technically among the oldest AFL clubs, having joined the competition in 1897 as South Melbourne, their transplant north to Sydney in 1982 was based mainly on cashing in on the burgeoning sports television market in Australia's most populated state. Their image is of a franchise, rather than a fair-dinkum footy club.

    For the Kangaroos, even their former team nickname - the Shinboners - told a tale of their tough-as-nails heritage.

    Butchers would hang beef shinbones from their shops painted in the club's royal blue and white colours to rally support for their suburban team.

    Another theory behind the name was that the rugged, working-class players would brazenly - and illegally - swing their legs at opponents' shinbones in the clinches.

    Despite their humble background, which is still evident at their Arden Street training ground today, the Kangaroos were rightly dubbed the team of the 1990s. Two of their four premierships came in that decade, in 1996 and 1999, thanks largely to the domination of a core of players including Wayne Carey, Corey McKernan, Glenn Archer and Anthony Stevens.

    All that in spite of one of the lowest membership bases and one of the poorest budgets in the AFL.

    The direct contrast is the team from the harbour city, in the red and white jumper brandishing a silhouette of the Opera House.
    Perhaps that emblem on their chest, while a fitting snapshot as Sydney's and Australia's most recognisable feature, also best explains Sydney's affluent and "yuppie" supporter-base perception.

    The idea is that hot-and-cold Swans fans go along to the SCG if the winter weather is fine, rugged up in their cashmere coats for a three-hour spectacle. It is a social, carnival atmosphere that is an alternative to a night absorbing the Sydney Symphony Orchestra or sipping a Moet on Darling Harbour.

    That image gained a full head of steam in 1985 when Dr Geoffrey Edelstein took over the ailing show with his pink helicopter, cheerleaders and the high leaping, blond-haired promotional frontman in his skin-tight shorts, Warwick Capper.
    In modern times a pair of ex-St Kilda bad boys - full forwards Tony Lockett and Barry Hall - have helped endear the Swans to their public, and slowly shake off any notions of being the pretty losers.

    In comparison Kangaroo fans, and other footy-blooded fans like them, pay their money to ride every bump and tackle, celebrate every goal, jeer every poor umpiring decision and go hoarse voicing their free-flowing advice - rain, hail or shine and win, lose or draw.

    The Swans as a Sydney team only last year - with a narrow loss to eventual premier Brisbane in the preliminary final - distanced themselves from the stigma of being a young team still earning its right to be considered a genuine threat.
    All three of their premierships came when the club was still based at South Melbourne, and not one has come in the past 70 years. Under coach Paul Roos, early indications are that a fourth isn't far away.

    In the 21st century, a premiership generally sends membership queues and club money tills into a frenzy.
    But an underlying motivation to win a flag surely pervades the Sydney fans.

    Imagine the frief it would cause the wholf of Melbourne's football-mad fraternity if the Swans - little more than an easy-beat basketcase 10 years ago - could beat all 10 of Victoria's teams at their own game.

    It would be another blow for Melbourne, already frustrated as Australia's second-biggest city.
  • Charlie
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    • Jan 2003
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    #2
    That article is an insult to journalism.

    Perhaps if they came down and sat in the Melbourne cheer squad, they'd discover that we have a lot more in common with North Melbourne than some idiot from the ACT would like to acknowledge.

    He can start writing about football when he gets a grasp of what a footy club is.
    We hate Anthony Rocca
    We hate Shannon Grant too
    We hate scumbag Gaspar
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    • Go Swannies
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      • Sep 2003
      • 5697

      #3
      How did the jopurnalist get through the whole article without bringing up the hoary old Brisbane Bears story? If we run on his stereotype then Scott Welsh is probably not a journalist at all - just a Canberra public servant topping up his salary with some freelancing while also on overtime at his government department - or building up his flexitime.

      So the Swans have no heritage but haven't won a premiership for 70 plus years? Make a choice here - it can't be both. The spirit of the old South Melbourne Bloods (another working class reference our Scott ignores while selecting stereotypes) runs strong in the spirit of current Swans supporters.

      Weren't the North Melbourne Roos the team that tried a few years ago but couldn't hack it in Sydney, the largest football market (multi code) in Australia? So they have to try by stealth to build some team interest in boring, bland, grey flannel Canberra.

      I found that article very annoying. I guess Welsh probably wrote the justification for John Howard's quest for weapons of mass destruction, too. After all he's from Canberra.

      Gotta love the joy of stereotyping. The Canberra Times does.

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      • Beaussie
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        • Mar 2003
        • 328

        #4
        Personally, I find that article very offensive, particularly this:


        In comparison Kangaroo fans, and other footy-blooded fans like them, pay their money to ride every bump and tackle, celebrate every goal, jeer every poor umpiring decision and go hoarse voicing their free-flowing advice - rain, hail or shine and win, lose or draw.


        We don't have such fans in Sydney or Melbourne or right across Australia for that matter. We're all obviously too busy drinking chardonnay and making sure we don't get any spills on our cashmere coats

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        • NMWBloods
          Taking Refuge!!
          • Jan 2003
          • 15819

          #5
          Re: The Manuka Showdown

          Originally posted by b0ek
          On the other are the silver-tailed Swans, from "Club Chardonnay", decked out in comparatively lavish surrounds inside the Sydney Cricket Ground, with their fair-weather supporters and history of flashy full-forwards.

          Although the Swans are technically among the oldest AFL clubs, having joined the competition in 1897 as South Melbourne, their transplant north to Sydney in 1982 was based mainly on cashing in on the burgeoning sports television market in Australia's most populated state. Their image is of a franchise, rather than a fair-dinkum footy club.

          It would be another blow for Melbourne, already frustrated as Australia's second-biggest city.
          This article is a disgrace - in particular I find the first two paras above offensive as a Swans fan and the last offensive as a Melburnian.
          Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

          "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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          • b0ek
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            • Jan 2003
            • 21

            #6
            Could we stop the attacks on Canberra? As a Swans fan I was equally put off by the misrepresentations offered by the article but theres no need to have a go at us just because of the opinions of one idiot.

            By posting it here I was hoping that someone with a bit more historical knowledge could actually set the record right and send a response to the Canberra Times.

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            • stellation
              scott names the planets
              • Sep 2003
              • 9720

              #7
              I think the attacks are more on the article than on Canberra

              btw. thanks for putting in the effort to type that in, always interesting to see how the club is being portrayed outside of Sydney.
              I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
              We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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              • Go Swannies
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                • Sep 2003
                • 5697

                #8
                Sorry if that sounded as an attack on Canberra. It wasn't meant to be. I was trying to make the point that anyone who knows a subject (be it Swans or the ACT) finds simplistic sterotypes annoying. So I gave some stereotypes.

                Unless, of course, the stereotype is anything about Pies supporters who have some of their own teeth - or the truism that Bombers supporters are just Pies supporters who can read and write.

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                • Charlie
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                  • Jan 2003
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by b0ek
                  Could we stop the attacks on Canberra? As a Swans fan I was equally put off by the misrepresentations offered by the article but theres no need to have a go at us just because of the opinions of one idiot.

                  By posting it here I was hoping that someone with a bit more historical knowledge could actually set the record right and send a response to the Canberra Times.
                  Don't worry mate. I'll be sending a reply in. This article is simply not an acceptable standard of football journalism.
                  We hate Anthony Rocca
                  We hate Shannon Grant too
                  We hate scumbag Gaspar
                  But Leo WE LOVE YOU!

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                  • stellation
                    scott names the planets
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 9720

                    #10
                    if I was bothering to pay for Moet, I might go somewhere a little nicer than Darling Harbour...

                    I know it is a longheld myth, but out of interest how many people here actually drink Chardonnay at Swans games?
                    I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                    We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                    • sharpie
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                      • Jul 2003
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by stellation
                      if I was bothering to pay for Moet, I might go somewhere a little nicer than Darling Harbour...

                      I know it is a longheld myth, but out of interest how many people here actually drink Chardonnay at Swans games?
                      I'd prefer a semillon anyday
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                      • monopoly19
                        Senior Player
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 1098

                        #12
                        Originally posted by stellation

                        I know it is a longheld myth, but out of interest how many people here actually drink Chardonnay at Swans games?
                        Somehow I don't think that we're (as in people who care enough about the team to post on a messageboard) the demographic the article was referring to. Whether that demographoc exists at all is my biggest gripe...I think it's a load of @@@@ made up by people who have never been to a game in Sydney and have little knowledge of the club, it's history, and where it is heading in the future.

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                        • Charlie
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                          • Jan 2003
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by monopoly19
                          Somehow I don't think that we're (as in people who care enough about the team to post on a messageboard) the demographic the article was referring to. Whether that demographoc exists at all is my biggest gripe...I think it's a load of @@@@ made up by people who have never been to a game in Sydney and have little knowledge of the club, it's history, and where it is heading in the future.
                          Which is precisely why we have to flood the Canberra Times with the truth.

                          If they get a large number of letters refuting this crap, they'll publish it, and we'll get the message out that we ARE a real club. We have our bandwagoners, sure, but do they really think Collingwood or the Kangaroos don't???

                          It pisses me off that we still have to prove ourselves to these morons. We've been around for 130 years. We started the competition. Yet we're supposed to be trying to "beat the Melbourne clubs at THEIR own game"???? Go to hell. It is our game.

                          And I can tell you this - noone in Melbourne is going to give a rats whether the premier is from Sydney, Brisbane, Adelaide or Perth. There are many here who have become so insular that they'll support Collingwood ahead of Brisbane, yes. But one interstate side is much the same as any other.
                          We hate Anthony Rocca
                          We hate Shannon Grant too
                          We hate scumbag Gaspar
                          But Leo WE LOVE YOU!

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                          • Bleed Red Blood
                            Senior Player
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 2057

                            #14
                            Re: The Manuka Showdown

                            Originally posted by b0ek
                            How did you manage to type that utter bull****.

                            Probably the worst article I have ever read about AFL.

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                            • EMJ
                              Go Swans Always
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 1076

                              #15
                              The interesting piece in the article I picked up is the amount of money for a club that is generated with a Premiership win. As North Melbourne have won two in the past ten years? What happened to all the money that is generated to them. They are always crying poor and no money and how bad their facilities are. Believe they also have a club in a hall that is full of poker machines. Someone is cashing in on money somewhere.
                              Love those Swans

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