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  • dawson
    Senior Player
    • Mar 2003
    • 1007

    Interesting Article on Clubs lying re injuries

    Telling tall tales over injuries
    By Jake Niall
    On Thursday
    April 22, 2004

    A few years ago, Kevin Sheedy was fending off questions about a player whom he claimed to be suffering from what has become known in media circles as the "Windy Hill flu". The player, as it happened, was troubled by a sore hamstring. When this was put to Sheeds, he was quick to correct the assembled media, re-diagnosing the ailment as a "flu-related hamstring".

    Essendon, while one of the market leaders in misinformation, is by no means the only club that lies about injuries. At one stage or another, all clubs have been, shall we say, less than frank about the physical condition and selection of their players.

    Only last week, Collingwood, another club with a gift for covert operations, selected Nathan Buckley in its 22. When football department officials were first quizzed about Buckley's fitness - he was thought to be suffering from a hamstring or a back-related hamstring complaint - they claimed he'd been picked and should be all right.

    But later that evening, on The Footy Show, it became apparent that, as some of us had suspected, Buckley was unlikely to play. Eddie McGuire, wearing his club and Channel Nine hats in unison, let the cat out of the bag. The following day, Mick Malthouse confirmed Buckley was hurt, and replaced him with Andrew Williams. By now, the Pies had straightened their bent story.

    The previous weekend, Brisbane had insisted that it would go into its game against Collingwood with only one ruckman, Jamie Charman. No one believed this, because the Lions hadn't played with a solo ruckman for nearly four years and, sure enough, when the teams ran out, reserve ruck Dylan McLaren was in the 22. Did Brisbane gain any advantage from this apparent subterfuge? No. The Pies would have anticipated the late change and planned accordingly.


    Lying about injuries has been going on since the game's invention. It is a tradition, however, that seems increasingly out of date and unnecessary.

    "Everyone's into it," admitted one senior coach. But where is the edge in gilding the lily? If the purpose of lying is to gain an advantage over the opposition, the tactic has limited value.

    First of all, clubs are completely interconnected these days. Players have friendships with opposition players, as do officials. Assistant coaches move back and forth between clubs. Players have the same managers, accountants and surgeons. The grapevine now moves at the speed of sound.

    Given these incestuous relationships, it is increasingly difficult to keep sensitive injury information from getting into the opposition's hands. If they really want to know and have operatives devoted to intelligence gathering, they'll find out.

    Lying clubs might hoodwink the media and, by association, the fans and some irate gamblers, but they won't consistently trick the audience that counts - their opponents.

    Even if a club succeeds in pulling the wool over the opposition's eyes with a surprise late change, the advantage is negated once the team sheets land, half an hour before the game.

    There are, admittedly, circumstances when teams can clearly benefit from telling a porkie, such as when one of your players carries a rib-cage injury. Ribs can be targeted, within or outside the rules and, thus, there is some justification for covering up the bullseye.

    By and large, however, I can't see much gain in claiming someone has a virus when they've got a hammy or groin. One club official said a player can be exploited if the opposition learns that their running capacity is restricted. I would have thought the player's struggles would be apparent shortly after the ball is bounced.

    Another parting thought: it's a bit rich to talk about honesty, integrity and character when you're misleading supporters, sponsors and the media every second week.

  • j s
    Think positive!
    • Jan 2003
    • 3303

    #2
    Re: Interesting Article on Clubs lying re injuries

    Originally posted by dawson
    There are, admittedly, circumstances when teams can clearly benefit from telling a porkie, such as when one of your players carries a rib-cage injury. Ribs can be targeted, within or outside the rules and, thus, there is some justification for covering up the bullseye.
    This is a very valid reason but it's about the the only one (applied to any injury that can be exacerbated by targetted impact)

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    • hammo
      Veterans List
      • Jul 2003
      • 5554

      #3
      Sheedy truly is the master of mind games.

      I appreciate Roos' blunt honesty but the game needs characters like Sheeds. He keeps the Monday to Friday news cycle interesting.
      "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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      • dawson
        Senior Player
        • Mar 2003
        • 1007

        #4
        There was a time when the Swans did this alot especially regarding Plugger and Kel.

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        • Old Royboy
          Support Staff
          • Mar 2004
          • 879

          #5
          Hope the Bradshaw incident doesn't cause the AFL to allow late replacements. Collingwood and Essendon players would be going down like flies in the warmup.
          Pay peanuts get monkeys

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          • stellation
            scott names the planets
            • Sep 2003
            • 9718

            #6
            Re: Interesting Article on Clubs lying re injuries

            Originally posted by dawson
            When this was put to Sheeds, he was quick to correct the assembled media, re-diagnosing the ailment as a "flu-related hamstring".
            I like Kevin Sheedy. I can't remember what it was last year that was another great quote... was it about playing Hird on Pavlich maybe... when he was telling the journos to "print that and we'll get a crowd"... or something like that... can't remember...
            I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
            We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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            • hammo
              Veterans List
              • Jul 2003
              • 5554

              #7
              That Fremantle-Essendon game was an excellent example of two coaches talking up a game to within an inch of its life to get a big crowd along - and they succeeded. Who can forget Sheeds' "House of Pain".
              "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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              • Steve
                Regular in the Side
                • Jan 2003
                • 676

                #8
                Our latest trick seems to be to name a player on a Thursday, publicly rule him out on the Friday, and then see him miss that game and at least one more game.

                In summary:
                • the player was never going to play
                • regardless, we rule them out well before the game and hence don't disrupt opposition planning much if at all

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                • Sanecow
                  Suspended by the MRP
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 6917

                  #9
                  You can have a big "I love Sheedy" ticker tape parade and knight him for being "good for football" but he is a dick for leaving Kickett out of the 1993 GF team. I have no time for him.

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                  • floppinab
                    Senior Player
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 1681

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Old Royboy
                    Hope the Bradshaw incident doesn't cause the AFL to allow late replacements. Collingwood and Essendon players would be going down like flies in the warmup.
                    There are actually AFL rules that allow a team to replace a player named on the team sheets if they get an injury sometime after the sheets are submitted and the start of the game.
                    I think they need to provide a docs. cert. and get agreement from the interchange steward and an appropriate rep. from the other team.

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                    • stellation
                      scott names the planets
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 9718

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Sanecow
                      he is a dick for leaving Kickett out of the 1993 GF team. I have no time for him.
                      Yep. One of those coaching decisions I will just never even try to understand.
                      I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                      We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                      • Old Royboy
                        Support Staff
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 879

                        #12
                        Originally posted by floppinab
                        There are actually AFL rules that allow a team to replace a player named on the team sheets if they get an injury sometime after the sheets are submitted and the start of the game.
                        I think they need to provide a docs. cert. and get agreement from the interchange steward and an appropriate rep. from the other team.
                        I thought Bradshaw was hurt in the warmup. If there was a rule Brisbane would have invoked it surely.
                        Pay peanuts get monkeys

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                        • monopoly19
                          Senior Player
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 1098

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Old Royboy
                          I thought Bradshaw was hurt in the warmup. If there was a rule Brisbane would have invoked it surely.
                          I think the Brisbane camp came out and said they didn't know about the rule because it is an obscure one that has only been in place for a few years.

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                          • silent lurker
                            BLT Razzle Dazzle
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 195

                            #14
                            Originally posted by monopoly19
                            I think the Brisbane camp came out and said they didn't know about the rule because it is an obscure one that has only been in place for a few years.
                            I remember a Hawthorn player was injured in the warmup of a match a couple of years ago and was replaced by Nick Stone who was originally going to help out the local Mandarin radio station with their broadcast of that match.

                            Clint Bizzell injured his hamstring in the warmup of a match in the same year but didn't evoke the rule.
                            We all dream of a team of BLTs!

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                            • sharpie
                              On the Rookie List
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 1588

                              #15
                              Bit hard having a replacement ready for any unfortunate mishaps during the warm-up. Surely this guy would much rather play in the ressies than sit out an entire week gambling on the miniature chance of someone injuring themselves pre-game.
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