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  • liz
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    • Jan 2003
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    Forget about Lloyd...

    He's not our problem next week.

    Who do we have to play on Hird? He has been in sensational form for the last three weeks. Bombers have a few class players but Hird seems to make them grow an extra leg. If we can find someone who can come close to shutting him out we may stand half a chance.
  • Reggi
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    • Jan 2003
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    #2
    Saddington!!!!

    No just kidding

    TV is reporting J Johnson to come back.

    Options, Kirky, Crouch and Tadhg I would think. I imagine it is better to have players swap if they can manage it, say C Bolton up forward and Kirk in the midfield
    Last edited by Reggi; 25 April 2004, 04:29 PM.
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    • motorace_182
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      • Jan 2003
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      #3
      That man will be the difference between the two sides. Lloyd can be contained, but Hird is a freak of nature. Kirk has to wear him like a pair of undies or we will get ripped to shreads. The rest of their team is not too flash. But after watching his form in the last few weeks, dam. Everyone has to stand up and be counted of we will be murdered.
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      • lizz
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        • Jan 2003
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        #4
        I was actually thinking Saddo myself but was too chicken to suggest it. He didn't do so badly on Pavlich the other week, and maybe a role solely intended to negate, and just follow the ball around, may be what he needs. Big risk, I know.

        Crouch is about 5cm shorter than Hird. He'd get killed in the air.

        Not sure whether Tiger has the necessary defensive nous to match Hird, and in any case I think we struggle when he's not attacking.

        Kirky? Maybe but I wonder if he's fast enough or strong enough in body or in the air. Would also rob us of an important ball winner.

        Mind you, I could go on through our list like that.

        Might be an interesting challenge for McVeigh to be given the role. He'd struggle on physical height but probably can run with him and if nothing else it would be a learning experience.

        Maybe Mathews is a more orthodox option.

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        • Reggi
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          • Jan 2003
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          #5
          From a height perspective playing Crouch on Hird is almost like playing Jude on Carey. But Crouch can play a bit taller given his strength.

          You're right on Kirk, can't afford to lose his ball winning atm. He'd run Saddo into the ground.

          Tough match up, as is Lloyd

          Playing young guys is a risk, sometimes they just end up being made fools of and their confidence never recovers
          Last edited by Reggi; 25 April 2004, 04:44 PM.
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          • NMWBloods
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            • Jan 2003
            • 15819

            #6
            I was considering this question too. Hird is too good overhead for Kirk.

            I'm wondering if C Bolton might be the man. Seems to have reasonable pace and defensive skills and can compete overhead.

            I don't think anyone else has the right mix of skills and stamina.
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            • lizz
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              • Jan 2003
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              #7
              Originally posted by NMWBloods


              I'm wondering if C Bolton might be the man. Seems to have reasonable pace and defensive skills and can compete overhead.
              You may well have hit the nail on the head.

              A knock on problem is that this will take Bolton away from the backline, which needs to operate as a unit to be effective. He won't be there to be 'third man up'. Means we will need a huge defensive effort from the likes of Barry to keep someone like Lucas under control while assisting James with Lloyd.

              This is one week where we really are going to miss Schaubs.

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              • TheHood
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                • Jan 2003
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                #8
                Heath will be cranky with his efforts on Neiter. Heath is a prouder man than most of us think.

                I expect Roosy to give Lloydy to Heath and the rest to fall in line. As for Jim, well if he is tagged out of the game, the Dons drop off completely. I do expect Roosy to put his best on Jim. It could indeed be Kirky and as for ball winning, he will go back to last year, Kirky has to shut Jim down.

                Josh Carr for Port would get put on Jim and I expect that it will be Kirky for Sydney.

                Willo, Tadhg, Jude and others in the middle have to work their butts off next week to exorcise the demons of this week!
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                • Reggi
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                  • Jan 2003
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by TheHood


                  Willo, Tadhg, Jude and others in the middle have to work their butts off next week to exorcise the demons of this week!
                  Fosdike, B2, Barry, Goodes.........
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                  • dendol
                    fat-arsed midfielder
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 1483

                    #10
                    I think Saddo would be too slow for Hird. He would match him in the air, but once the ball hits the ground it would cease to be a contest.

                    What about Leo? He is fast enough, tall enough, and also requires Hird to be more accountable to stop his rebound.

                    If Hird goes into the middle, Kirky should tag him.

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                    • lizz
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                      • Jan 2003
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by TheHood
                      Heath will be cranky with his efforts on Neiter. Heath is a prouder man than most of us think.

                      Maybe so, but I don't think he needs to be hanging his head. He wasn't beaten any worse by Neitz than Nicholson was by Hall. Quality forwards are going to score goals when their team is playing well.

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                      • sharpie
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                        • Jul 2003
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                        #12
                        Hird plays 2 distinct positions at distinct times during the game. He is either the Bombers no.1 midfielder, or he plays as a forward.

                        Rotation, as usualy, will be the key. While in the mdifield, Kirk is the man for sure. Go forward, and Kirk takes Johnson or someone else in the midfield, while maybe Barry to get the job on Hird. Good height, speed, overhead skills.
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                        • chammond
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 1368

                          #13
                          I would've thought that we've got several options for Hird . . . I'd be happy with any of Kennelly, Barry, or Craig Bolton getting the job . . . but I suppose it depends on where Sheedy decides to play him?

                          I don't agree that Lloyd won't be a factor . . . it's not that long ago that he kicked 13 goals against us. If he's not effectively shut down, then he could well make the difference. We could concede 3 or 4 okay, but if it got to 7 or 8 we would be in trouble. And after seeing what Neitz could do to our backline, I'm not so confident about dealing with Lloyd.

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                          • swan_song
                            I'm SO over the swans!
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 981

                            #14
                            To suggest that Lloyd won't be a factor almost beggers disbelief... Hird, Lloyd, Hille and if he's on song Lucas are all factors we need to cover. Even the eye gouger Rioli is running into form. IMO we don't have at present anyone who can stop the TOP full-forwards in the competition - Neitz, Lloyd or Gherig. They are too strong, too fast and are able to bullock their way around. HJ and Schaubs can do the job on lesser players, but the lack of a Mal Michael type option at the back is perhaps our one greatest weakness...Still, the bombers will have their own problems covering Goodes, Bazzza, Saint Nick, and hopefully Magic...
                            Pity today's Anzac Day game was such a meek and gutless affair between the hated Bombers and Pies...some red&black appearances at the tribunal might have come in handy for us next week...
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                            • lizz
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                              #15
                              Sorry, certainly wasn't trying to imply that Lloyd is not a factor. He's the best FF going around at the moment, bar none. Same goes for a handful of others, Lucas and Hille included.

                              But Hird creates havoc all over the ground and at the moment must be in the best form of his career - which is saying something. James could play a blinder on Lloyd and still have us lose the game if he don't do something about Hird.

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