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  • SWANSBEST
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    An opponent for Hird?????

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    Forget all you've heard of Hird
    April 27, 2004


    Essendon's captain was a class act long before two games in which he has raised the bar, writes Richard Hinds. The Swans must find someone to shackle him.

    The crowd of 57,000 at the annual Anzac Day fixture between Collingwood and Essendon on Sunday was evenly divided. There were those who had come to worship James Hird and those who left uttering grudging words of praise after yet another virtuoso performance by one of the most gifted and versatile players of this or any era.

    There were also two men among the throng with a slightly different perspective. Free of their match-day responsibilities, Swans coach Paul Roos and assistant John Longmire could admire Hird's work. But they also faced the taxing task of devising a plan to shut down the Bombers captain at the MCG on Saturday.

    Hird entered this season with a Brownlow Medal, two premiership medallions and nothing to prove. Yet, leading a team more reliant on his output than ever, Hird's impact in recent weeks has been astounding.

    First, he pulled a game from West Coast's grip by kicking the match-winning goal with one of 15 final-quarter disposals - a performance more amazing for the controversy that had surrounded his public criticism of an umpire two days earlier. On Sunday he roamed from position to position, starting fires at one end and putting them out at the other.

    Essendon coach Kevin Sheedy was moved yesterday to describe Hird as the greatest player he had coached, a significant statement given the string of stars he has guided through 22 years and four premierships. "He's probably nailed [Tim] Watson, [Simon] Madden and [Michael] Long and he's still got a way to go," said Sheedy.

    Perhaps not eager to eulogise an impending opponent, Roos was less effusive in his praise. "When you look at it there are probably 15 to 20 genuine superstars in the competition," he says. "Hird is certainly in the elite and then you have to think about where he sits in that elite.

    "But he's playing some great football at the moment."

    As a scouting mission, Roos's expedition to the MCG will have proven valuable. Last year Hird was injured and missed the Bombers' only match against the Swans - a 54-point Sydney victory at Telstra Stadium.

    On Sunday, however, Roos saw Hird's full repertoire as he picked apart the Magpies. At times he floated forward and eventually kicked three goals. In the second quarter he moved back to bail out a leaky defence. And when required he ploughed into the midfield, where the Bombers were being cleaned out in the centre-square clearances.

    Strong overhead yet superb below his knees, it is that versatility that makes Hird such a difficult player to counter. Collingwood tried multiple opponents. Athletic defender James Clement had the job when Hird was in attack and midfielder Shane Woewodin ran with him in the centre. Eventually, Hird chose his own opponent, attempting to outbustle young midfielder Mark McGough, who was dominating in the centre square.

    "He's a bit like Goodesy [Adam Goodes] in that way," Roos said. "It's pretty hard to find one player to match up on him so you might have to use a few."

    But the risk of using two or more opponents on Hird is that he will shake himself free by continually moving around the ground. As Roos observed, the Essendon skipper seems to have a licence to go where he wants depending on the circumstances - and he uses that licence wisely.

    "I think the problem Collingwood had was that, using a few opponents, they lost him a bit in transition [between positions]," Roos said. "He's so clever with the way he uses the ball, if you give him any space he is going to kill you."

    In the past, defender Jason Saddington and retired midfielder Daryn Cresswell had been asked to mind Hird in attack or on the ball - though not with great success. In 2000, Hird's fine last quarter averted a possible upset by the Swans over the undefeated Bombers at the SCG, and the following season he dominated again.

    Former coach Rodney Eade predicts tagger Brett Kirk will be given the job this time. "[Hird] is smart because when he has an opponent he can exploit he'll move around to make a mismatch," Eade said. "He might go forward and they'll switch opponents and he'll move straight back into the midfield before they can change back."

    As they hatch their plans for Saturday, the Swans might be sobered by the thought Hird rated his 26 disposals and three goals on Sunday as just satisfactory, or heartened by the fact he was disappointed his opponents also got plenty of possessions. Indeed, Hird said he was ordered by Sheedy to be more accountable.

    However, Hird's incredible touch makes him far more damaging with the ball than most, while his chasing, smothering and body work at the centre bounce can be inspirational.

    Then there is his mental strength. At the height of the media storm surrounding his derogatory comments about umpire Scott McLaren, Hird said his house was staked out and he was pursued in his car by television crews. Yet he produced perhaps his greatest quarter of football.

    The Swans have done their homework. Now they can only hope that Kirk, or someone else, can curb the AFL's golden boy

    WMP
  • TheHood
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    • Jan 2003
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    #2
    I am ok with the Kirk option but it has to be close checking and it has to be for 4 quarters, obviously.

    Hirdy's worst games come when he is harrassed constantly and rather physically too. I have seen Port and Brisbane wrap him up completely, we need to do that.

    Hird and Kirk would be a match-up everyone would savour because Kirky has made a beautful artform out of this stuff. Both players have very strong minds and super concentration.

    I am looking forward to this match-up as much as any on the weekend.

    We need to be sure our midfield makes amends for last week's loose checking overall and then we know we have the guys forward of the ball to finish the job (except Goodesy who has to stop oiling his boots when he oils his biceps).
    The Pain of Discipline is Nothing Like The Pain of Disappointment

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    • hammo
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      • Jul 2003
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      #3
      Let's face it, Hird is going to cause some damage. It's just a case of limiting that damage.
      I think Kirky is the man but it could be worth playing Goodsey on him for a while to try and make Hird more accountable.
      Unfortunately Hird will run all day and pop up all over the ground so our boys will have to have their heads switched on.
      Lloyd is also a big problem. Although James has been quite good I think Craig Bolton has to be the man for Saturday.
      "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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      • hird_god
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        • Apr 2004
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        #4
        Originally posted by TheHood
        Hird and Kirk would be a match-up everyone would savour because Kirky has made a beautful artform out of this stuff. Both players have very strong minds and super concentration.
        Would definatley be an interesting matchup, i think theres two options with hirdy: 1. tag him all game, in which case Kirk would be your man. 2. play someone that will play reasonably close to him but also really damage him on the rebound. Freo tried the second option when they played Pavlich on him and gave him a license to run free, Hird was easily the better of the two. Roos is a smart coach and the matchups he and Sheeds come up with will be a big factor in determining the outcome of the game
        Time to make EFC a meritocracy, not a mediocracy

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        • Go Swannies
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          • Sep 2003
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          #5
          Interesting, I was just writing a long response to this on the Lllllloyd thread while this discussion was going on. Interesting overlap.

          And welcome Hird-god. Last week we had some interesting exchanges with some Dees fans who came over to RWO. We got some interesting insights on players we hadn't really noticed. I'd be interested on your opinion about whether I got the four key Dons right now - Hird, Lloyd, Rioli and McPhee?

          What's the equivalent Bomber site?

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          • dawson
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            • Mar 2003
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            #6
            bomberblitz.com

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            • hird_god
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              #7
              Originally posted by Go Swannies
              I'd be interested on your opinion about whether I got the four key Dons right now - Hird, Lloyd, Rioli and McPhee?

              What's the equivalent Bomber site?
              www.bomberblitz.com/forum is the equivelant, very passionate fans over there

              u'r close with you're rating of the four players, and the first two are obviously right - but i think Fletcher is more important to us than rioli. Fletch really straightens our defence up, and atm McPhee would be just ahead of Lucas on current performance, although Lucas is running into some form. also need to watch out for ramanaskus, is in great form atm and getting better with each match back
              Time to make EFC a meritocracy, not a mediocracy

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              • lizz
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                • Jan 2003
                • 16738

                #8
                Originally posted by hird_god
                [url] but i think Fletcher is more important to us than rioli. Fletch really straightens our defence up,
                How does Fletcher go at CHB? Or alternatively, does Essendon have anyone else with the strength to play on Hall while Fletcher remains at FB?

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                • hird_god
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by lizz
                  How does Fletcher go at CHB? Or alternatively, does Essendon have anyone else with the strength to play on Hall while Fletcher remains at FB?
                  Fletch is definatley not as good playing at CHB, IMO he looks lost there, although he has done well there in the past on occasion, he is our best defender so i think he will at least have first go on Hall, with perhaps no other option that is strong enough and mobile enough to take on Hall in the form he is at the moment, Fletch was ok on Rocca, and he'd have learnt a lot from that match to take on board against Hall when playing at CHB
                  Time to make EFC a meritocracy, not a mediocracy

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                  • NMWBloods
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                    • Jan 2003
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by hird_god
                    Fletch is definatley not as good playing at CHB, IMO he looks lost there, although he has done well there in the past on occasion, he is our best defender so i think he will at least have first go on Hall, with perhaps no other option that is strong enough and mobile enough to take on Hall in the form he is at the moment, Fletch was ok on Rocca, and he'd have learnt a lot from that match to take on board against Hall when playing at CHB
                    Fletcher was probably good against Rocca because Rocca relies on taking contested overhead marks (and is pretty good at it) and Collingwood's delivery to him often makes him rely on that. This plays to Fletcher's strengths somewhat, as he is a great spoiler with his go-go gadget arms.

                    Hall relies more on leading and using his strength to hold his position. If the delivery is even half-way decent and there is enough space, Hall should beat Fletcher on the lead. If the Swans bomb it long, then Fletcher should beat Hall, as overhead pack marking is not really Hall's forte.
                    Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                    "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                    • Barry Schneider
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                      • Sep 2003
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                      #11
                      I would like to see Kirk run with Hird in the midfield but for someone else to take him when he ventures into the forward line eg Leo.Kirk has become too valuable to be taken out of the midfield imo.We can't do without his ball winning ability in the midfield if he is stuck in the backline for a period of time.

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                      • lizz
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                        • Jan 2003
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                        #12
                        The thing with Hird, though, is that he has a similar licence to Goodes to run where he feels like it. So having one player to match him in defence, another in the midfield and yet another when he moves forwards means that he might have three difference opponents within one piece of play. And Hird is smart enough to exploit this and cause confusion over who is meant to be picking him up.

                        It's fine to assign him a different opponent for those short periods when he has a rest as a genuine forward, but for the most part you need one player (at any given time) to be on him.

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                        • TheHood
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Barry Schneider
                          I would like to see Kirk run with Hird in the midfield but for someone else to take him when he ventures into the forward line eg Leo.Kirk has become too valuable to be taken out of the midfield imo.We can't do without his ball winning ability in the midfield if he is stuck in the backline for a period of time.
                          That is Lizz's very polite way of saying that you should read the article above a lot closer because it does kinda make sense and I reckon Roosy had a go at this tactic (the one you mention Barry)against the Lions and my view is that a couple of these guys got too loose at times.
                          The Pain of Discipline is Nothing Like The Pain of Disappointment

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                          • Barry Schneider
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by lizz
                            The thing with Hird, though, is that he has a similar licence to Goodes to run where he feels like it. So having one player to match him in defence, another in the midfield and yet another when he moves forwards means that he might have three difference opponents within one piece of play. And Hird is smart enough to exploit this and cause confusion over who is meant to be picking him up.

                            It's fine to assign him a different opponent for those short periods when he has a rest as a genuine forward, but for the most part you need one player (at any given time) to be on him.
                            I am sure Hird was being extremely modest after the game but he did point out that his three opponents did well on him in different ways.He said Clement ran off him when he was in the forwards, McGough got plenty of the ball in the midfield and Woewodin kicked a goal and had a few posessions as well.

                            If he wants to play in defence there is no need to man him up.Let him worry about who he is going to take.
                            My point is if Kirk is to mark him the whole game we lose a major ball getter.
                            If Kirk doesn't take him who does?

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                            • lizz
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                              • Jan 2003
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Barry Schneider
                              I am sure Hird was being extremely modest after the game but he did point out that his three opponents did well on him in different ways.He said Clement ran off him when he was in the forwards, McGough got plenty of the ball in the midfield and Woewodin kicked a goal and had a few posessions as well.

                              If he wants to play in defence there is no need to man him up.Let him worry about who he is going to take.
                              My point is if Kirk is to mark him the whole game we lose a major ball getter.
                              If Kirk doesn't take him who does?
                              I think Hird was being very modest!

                              Agree we'd lose an important ball-getter if Kirk were to take him but the likes of Crouch, Bolton and Fosdike would just have to step up to the plate. All great offensive player though Kirk is becoming, his impact in his best games is a way short of what Hird is capable of doing. If Kirky is deemed to have the best attributes to run with Hird and can quieten him down it would be a reasonable trade-off IMHO.

                              The other that I think could run with him anywhere on the ground - and would be better suited than Kirk to quelling him in the air - would be Craig B, as suggested a couple of days ago by both Reggi and NMW.

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