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  • dawson
    Senior Player
    • Mar 2003
    • 1007

    Young guns

    Would Rocket Eade have played Rogers???

    What about McVeigh, Bevan, etc.

    Roos may be forced to have to play them due to injury but I just felt during the last months of the Eade era that he wasn't playing any kids.
  • TheHood
    On the Rookie List
    • Jan 2003
    • 1938

    #2
    Fixter was the last kid he played and he wasn't exactly talked up by Rocket.

    I tend to think that Roosy unearths them, then finds a position they can excel in regularly and then talks up their contribution as being a highlight for that game or whatever.

    Speaking of the Fix, does anyone else remember that game he had against West Coast at Subi in 2002? What a game he played, chased everything down, kicked goals, I thought we had a potential star on our hands. Sadly it's still just potential.
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    • stellation
      scott names the planets
      • Sep 2003
      • 9720

      #3
      He played Ricky Mott... which I guess was because of injury... but he was still a kid... and he kicked the goal to beat the bombers at staidum oz and save Eade's coaching career!
      I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
      We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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      • TheHood
        On the Rookie List
        • Jan 2003
        • 1938

        #4
        Originally posted by stellation
        He played Ricky Mott... which I guess was because of injury... but he was still a kid... and he kicked the goal to beat the bombers at staidum oz and save Eade's coaching career!
        In hindsight, I am glad he missed!
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        • NMWBloods
          Taking Refuge!!
          • Jan 2003
          • 15819

          #5
          I think Eade played young guys (eg: Barry, J Bolton, Crouch, Fixter, Fosdike, Goodes, James, Kennelly, Mathews, Nicks, O'Loughlin, Saddington), he just often didn't give them that much time on the field and didn't tolerate mistakes.
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          • Charlie
            On the Rookie List
            • Jan 2003
            • 4101

            #6
            What is a good return from youngsters/debutants?

            Eade debuted 28 players in his tenure as coach. They were, if anyone's interested:

            Gerrard Bennett
            Jude Bolton
            Amon Buchanan
            Fred Campbell
            Stefan Carey
            Troy Cook
            Jared Crouch
            Stephen Doyle
            Simon Feast
            Ryan Fitzgerald
            Ben Fixter
            Nic Fosdike
            Adam Goodes
            Heath James
            Tadhg Kennelly
            Clinton King
            Mark Kinnear
            Brett Kirk
            Paul Licuria
            Ben Mathews
            Ricky Mott
            Matthew Nicks
            Ryan O'Keefe
            Brett O'Farrell
            Brent Piltz
            Jason Saddington
            John Stevens
            Scott Stevens

            Out of that group, that represents 6.5 yearly 'crops' of debutants, we currently have 14 still on the list - 50%. Of those, the jury is still out on Buchanan, who hasn't had a great chance to show what he can do.

            So I'll say we've had success in obtaining 13 proven players from those crops. That includes Doyle, James and Fixter, who it should be noted have all had their significant injury problems. Of the ten remaining, Adam Goodes is a superstar. Bolton, Crouch, Fosdike, Kennelly, Kirk, Mathews, O'Keefe and Saddington are all senior players. Nicks was, but the general consensus here is that his career is nearly, if not already, over.

            The question I have for you all is, do you think that 9 current senior players, 3 talented but developing players and 1 unproven player represent a good, average or poor return from the original 28 players?
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            • dawson
              Senior Player
              • Mar 2003
              • 1007

              #7
              Originally posted by stellation
              He played Ricky Mott... which I guess was because of injury... but he was still a kid... and he kicked the goal to beat the bombers at staidum oz and save Eade's coaching career!
              I thought he missed............

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              • swans_premiers
                On the Rookie List
                • Feb 2003
                • 1101

                #8
                I think he was being sarcastic.
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                • robbieando
                  The King
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 2750

                  #9
                  With Eade, I think his problem wasn't selecting the young players, but how he used them once he had them in the senior team. Most of the time, they were used off the bench and in some cases if they did play from the start it was out of position. Take Nic Fosdike, under Eade he played most of his football off the bench and in fact one season he was the most interchanged player in the AFL. He hardly had time on the ground to make a difference.

                  Once Roos took over, he backed the young player and gave them plenty of game time to grow into the footballers we need. Even now we have Paul Bevan getting a fair bit of game time, which under Eade would not of happened.
                  Once was, now elsewhere

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                  • timthefish
                    Regular in the Side
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 940

                    #10
                    not that anyone has really had a mean go at rocket, i think it should be remembered that he was under a lot of pressure to maintain the level and hope to just go one better in his final year.

                    he appeared quite reluctant to take lockett back, but with him in the team and kelly and cresswell every chance to give it away at the end of 2002 i'm not surprised that he came to the conclusion that rebuilding would have to wait.

                    in hindsight it all went horribly wrong for rocket, but things were a whole lot clearer by the time roos took the helm. season was stuffed. lockett was gone. kelly was going. rebuild.

                    it is true though that he was impatient with developing players when he did play them, and i think that was a strong sign that he'd lost his connection with the group.

                    tim
                    Last edited by timthefish; 29 April 2004, 06:46 PM.
                    then again, i think it would be worth trying 15-16 players on field so what would i know

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                    • Nico
                      Veterans List
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 11339

                      #11
                      Originally posted by robbieando
                      With Eade, I think his problem wasn't selecting the young players, but how he used them once he had them in the senior team. Most of the time, they were used off the bench and in some cases if they did play from the start it was out of position. Take Nic Fosdike, under Eade he played most of his football off the bench and in fact one season he was the most interchanged player in the AFL. He hardly had time on the ground to make a difference.

                      Once Roos took over, he backed the young player and gave them plenty of game time to grow into the footballers we need. Even now we have Paul Bevan getting a fair bit of game time, which under Eade would not of happened.

                      I think what you are saying here Robbie is that Eade did not know how to develop young footballers, and/or did not have the personal skills to develop them. I reckon that both Fosdike and Bolton did not have a full game under Eade and at the best only ever played a half.

                      Self preservation mode I call it. Would rather pick up average so called footballers to plug holes which developed mediocrity, but enough to keep him in the job. You could hardly call Eade a "professional coach".
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                      • Bart
                        CHHHOMMMMMPPP!!!!
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 1360

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Charlie
                        Brent Piltz
                        Jeez, remember this poor bloke. Eerily shades of Rogers this weekend.

                        Elevated from the rookie list....First and only game against the Bombers....in Melbourne.......

                        IIRC he came on in the last quarter, had one handpass, one kick, one clanger that led to the Bombers getting within a kick, and a few minutes later it was all over.

                        Never to be heard of again.

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                        • undy
                          Fatal error: Allowed memo
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 1231

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Bart
                          Jeez, remember this poor bloke. Eerily shades of Rogers this weekend.

                          Elevated from the rookie list....First and only game against the Bombers....in Melbourne.......

                          IIRC he came on in the last quarter, had one handpass, one kick, one clanger that led to the Bombers getting within a kick, and a few minutes later it was all over.

                          Never to be heard of again.
                          He had one tackle too.

                          Looks as though he plays for North Albury - Kirky's old club. Check out the Kirk look in the last millenium:

                          here
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