Aftermatch Thoughts: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

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  • ugg
    Can you feel it?
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    • Jan 2003
    • 15962

    Aftermatch Thoughts: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

    Good:
    O'Keefe - great performance, strong hands, super workrate. Forms a great partnership with Hall.
    Hall - Worked hard again all day.
    Bevan - so bloody hard at the ball, definitely an integral part of the side now.
    Schneider - should be given more time in the midfield.
    Leo Barry & Craig Bolton - did alright jobs on their respective opponents, although we missed Leo's run out of defence.

    Bad:
    Goodes - AWOL, M.Bolton outgunned him.
    Saddington - touched up by Lucas and McPhee. I've come to realise he just gets continually outbodied. Rogers did way better than him on Lucas.
    The bench - What was the point of having two talls sitting on the bench for the majority of the match.

    Ugly:
    Midfield & Clearances - Enough said.
    Plan B - we need one.
    Bloody umpires.
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  • hammo
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    • Jul 2003
    • 5554

    #2
    5 Essendon goals from free kicks tells a big story, however let's not get sidetracked with the umpires (who were useless).

    Swans inability to win midfield ball is becoming very concerning. Other midfields are simply outgunning us.

    Goodes had a bad game. When he actually got the ball his disposal was awful. Too often when the ball was only 5 or 10 metres away he seemed to be lumbering. I don't expect him to be in Brownlow form evrey game but his off games shouldn't be this bad.

    Too many of our players did well in patches only.

    Is Maxfield 100% fit??
    "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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    • swans_premiers
      On the Rookie List
      • Feb 2003
      • 1101

      #3
      Originally posted by hammo
      5 Essendon goals from free kicks tells a big story, however let's not get sidetracked with the umpires (who were useless).

      Swans inability to win midfield ball is becoming very concerning. Other midfields are simply outgunning us.

      Goodes had a bad game. When he actually got the ball his disposal was awful. Too often when the ball was only 5 or 10 metres away he seemed to be lumbering. I don't expect him to be in Brownlow form evrey game but his off games shouldn't be this bad.

      Too many of our players did well in patches only.

      Is Maxfield 100% fit??
      Maxfield was great in the last quarter.
      Adam Goodes: Rising Star 99, Brownlow 2003, 2006
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      • hammo
        Veterans List
        • Jul 2003
        • 5554

        #4
        Originally posted by swans_premiers
        Maxfield was great in the last quarter.
        I agree. But why did he spend so much time off the field in the first and second quarters when the game had to be won??
        "As everyone knows our style of football is defensive and unattractive, and as such I have completely forgotten how to mark or kick over the years" - Brett Kirk

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        • dendol
          fat-arsed midfielder
          • Oct 2003
          • 1483

          #5
          Agree with Goodes' performances of late. Lets hope its just a phase and related to our inability to win any ball.

          Dont agree with your opinion on Saddo's game. He played on the wing a fair bit today and looked alot more comfortable. Definately would prefer to see him there, where he can float forward to take a mark, or go back to help the defense like he did to cut off leading forwards today.

          McVeigh was quiet again. Didnt get much game time though, but its clear that Bevan is out performing him so far.

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          • stellation
            scott names the planets
            • Sep 2003
            • 9718

            #6
            purely emotional responses but...

            Good.

            Hall- fantastic.
            Davis- was good when he had a run on the footy. Going to be a couple of games yet before he gets match fitness.
            ROK- was great in the first half.
            Bevan- was absolutley fantastic.

            Bad.

            Clearances- we are struggling.
            Maxfield- obviously was not match fit and should not have played. He ended up with a few disposals but that number was bolstered by taking kickouts.
            C.Bolton on Hird was not working. It took too long to figure this out.

            Ugly.

            We have no regular midfield at the moment. Some players do well when thrown in the midfield for a quick run but then are pulled back out.
            Umpiring- J.Hird's comments on TFS are obviously ringing in the ears of umpires. They are scared, not angry.

            And...

            Why did we play Rogers and James together?
            Whilst he didn't have a blinder, I don't understand fingering Saddo as having had a shocker.
            I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
            We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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            • dendol
              fat-arsed midfielder
              • Oct 2003
              • 1483

              #7
              Originally posted by hammo
              I agree. But why did he spend so much time off the field in the first and second quarters when the game had to be won??
              Commentators were saying that it was just our high rate of midfield rotation..

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              • Go Swannies
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                • Sep 2003
                • 5697

                #8
                Jeez, don't start singling Saddo out. If you put the players into Good, Bad and OKay then Saddo was towards the top of the list for Okay.

                Stewie's and Adam's kicking accuracy continues to be shocking. I never realised how dependent we are on Adam getting the ball and the players miraculously parting in front of him - we haven't seen that for the past fortnight. On the other hand, Bazza can get up from a partial tackle and just bulldoze over the opposition - great to watch!

                Anyone else as nervous as me when the Captain kicked for goal from 50 - and got it!

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                • NMWBloods
                  Taking Refuge!!
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 15819

                  #9
                  Good:

                  - Hall - fantastic
                  - Bevan - really good, very useful find
                  - C Bolton - a reasonably okay job on Hird (had a lot of possessions but didn't dominate)
                  - L Barry - great effort on Lloyd
                  - Schneider in first and last quarters - lots of drive from the midfield
                  - O'Keefe (although some disappointing misses at goal) - good option in the forward line

                  Bad & Ugly:

                  - umpiring
                  - clearances
                  - midfield - some good cameos, but generally went missing
                  - poor execution, messing about with ball & fumbling
                  - what to do with Saddo - still not playing well and not doing a great deal - beaten by Lucas
                  - Goodes' form this year - really seemed very lazy today
                  - J Bolton's form this year, mainly the last two games - not getting a lot of the ball
                  - Schneider's miss from 40m out, directly in front, on his own after running through the square - this was a major turning point. Essendon were struggling at this stage, but then went on to kick the next 7 goals.
                  - our constant ability to go missing for critical parts of a game

                  Other:

                  - Rogers looks solid and reasonably mobile. Will be interesting to see if he can develop.
                  - James had little involvement in the game
                  - Maxfield still doesn't seem fully fit, but did a great job inthe last quarter to get us going
                  Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                  "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                  • SWANSBEST
                    On the Rookie List
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 868

                    #10
                    NMWBloods

                    A good summary of our players , although I think that you are too hard on Saddo. IMO he went OK and took some nice relieving marks and linked well with other players. . A reasonable performance by Saddo. I am not the only one who thinks so. Please see below.



                    Essendon: 5.6, 7.8, 12.10, 16.12 (108)
                    Sydney: 4.3, 4.6, 8.7, 15.8 (98)

                    GOALS: Essendon: Solomon, Lloyd 3, Peverill 2, Hird, J.Johnson, Lucas, Murphy, Stanton, Dyson, Lovett-Murray, Rioli 1
                    Sydney: Hall 4, Williams, O?Keefe, Schneider 2, Davis, C.Bolton, Maxfield, J.Bolton, Kirk 1
                    BEST: Essendon: Solomon, Hird, J.Johnson, Bolton, Hille, Murphy, McPhee
                    Sydney: Hall, Kirk, J.Bolton, O'Keefe, Fosdike, Saddington, Williams
                    INJURIES: Essendon: None
                    Sydney: Schneider (hamstring)
                    CHANGES: Essendon: Bullen (calf) replaced by Misiti
                    Sydney: Ablett (ill) replaced by McVeigh
                    REPORTS: None
                    UMPIRES: Meredith, Ellis, Goldspink
                    CROWD: 38,946 at the MCG
                    WMP

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                    • Plugger46
                      Senior Player
                      • Apr 2003
                      • 3674

                      #11
                      I'm with you NMWBloods, I thought Saddo was very average once again. There was one occasion, where I can't believe he didn't get a fist to the ball and it went through for a goal.
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                      • barry
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                        • Jan 2003
                        • 8499

                        #12
                        I would say that Goodes has a dicky groin. The way he is kicking and his form point to something wrong in that department.

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                        • NMWBloods
                          Taking Refuge!!
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 15819

                          #13
                          Originally posted by SWANSBEST
                          NMWBloods

                          A good summary of our players , although I think that you are too hard on Saddo. IMO he went OK and took some nice relieving marks and linked well with other players. . A reasonable performance by Saddo. I am not the only one who thinks so. Please see below.
                          I saw that - I really couldn't fathom it.

                          I don't think Saddo was terrible and certainly not among our worst. However, what concerns me is that he is having little influence on the game wherever he plays. I watched him closely a few times today and he still has reasonable skills, but doesn't really seem to do much and he looked all at sea against Lucas most of the time. He did take a couple of good marks in defence, but didn't do much overall.

                          Originally posted by barry
                          I would say that Goodes has a dicky groin. The way he is kicking and his form point to something wrong in that department.
                          I think that is a possibility. His kicking was poor again and he really seemed to struggle to run or change direction.

                          Despite disparaging comment, it looks like my view that our injuries would be higher this year unfortunately seems to be happening.
                          Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                          "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                          • Nico
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                            • Jan 2003
                            • 11329

                            #14
                            Originally posted by dendol
                            Agree with Goodes' performances of late. Lets hope its just a phase and related to our inability to win any ball.

                            Dont agree with your opinion on Saddo's game. He played on the wing a fair bit today and looked alot more comfortable. Definately would prefer to see him there, where he can float forward to take a mark, or go back to help the defense like he did to cut off leading forwards today.

                            McVeigh was quiet again. Didnt get much game time though, but its clear that Bevan is out performing him so far.
                            Gee I must watch the replay, because I was at the game today and if Saddo went past the centre square line much I would be very surprised.
                            http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                            • Nico
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                              • Jan 2003
                              • 11329

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Go Swannies
                              Jeez, don't start singling Saddo out. If you put the players into Good, Bad and OKay then Saddo was towards the top of the list for Okay.

                              Stewie's and Adam's kicking accuracy continues to be shocking. I never realised how dependent we are on Adam getting the ball and the players miraculously parting in front of him - we haven't seen that for the past fortnight. On the other hand, Bazza can get up from a partial tackle and just bulldoze over the opposition - great to watch!

                              Anyone else as nervous as me when the Captain kicked for goal from 50 - and got it!
                              I assume you mean Maxfield. What about his disgraceful shot from 20 metres or less in the 3rdQ. Had some momentum then and he stuffed it good and proper.
                              http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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