Schneider Vs Bolton J

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Newbie
Wrong , if we are comparing a pair of players, there are only about 780 possibilities from a playing list of 40 players, hardly endless in my book.

Why not have comparisons in terms of different positions or different skills?

Why limit it to pairs?



BTW - it's combinations not permutations in this case!!

[Go Swannies]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Why not have comparisons in terms of different positions or different skills?

Why limit it to pairs?



BTW - it's combinations not permutations in this case!!

What about I name the Swan player and you pick the injury?

My Complete Oxford defines a permutation as:
"any one of the range of possible groupings.
any combination or selection of a specified number of things from a larger group, esp. Brit. matches in a football pool."

Of course if the array was Bolton, Bolton, Barry, Ball and Barry Hall then it could be an alliteration instead?

[liz]

Originally posted by Go Swannies

My Complete Oxford defines a permutation as:
"any one of the range of possible groupings.
any combination or selection of a specified number of things from a larger group, esp. Brit. matches in a football pool."

From a mathematician's point of view, the distinction is whether the order of the items matters. So if the question:

"Who is the better player - Jude or Schneider?"

is the same as the question

"Who is the better player - Schneider or Jude?"

then we are talking combinations rather than permutations, as NMW indicated.

[NMWBloods]

Permutations depend on the order, whereas combinations depend only on what is chosen, no matter the order.

So, for example:

Whose hamstring injury is more annoying:
- O'Loughlin
- Fixter
- Schneider

has only one combination (where order is not important) but 6 permutations (where order matters).

From a playing list of 40 players, choosing 2 does give 780 combinations but also gives 1,560 permutations (ie: it is double if the order is important, which obviously it is not in this case).

[Go Swannies]

Originally posted by lizz
From a mathematician's point of view, the distinction is whether the order of the items matters. So if the question:

"Who is the better player - Jude or Schneider?"

is the same as the question

"Who is the better player - Schneider or Jude?"

then we are talking combinations rather than permutations, as NMW indicated.

From a linguistic point of view, the mathematical view would have to be:

"Who is the better player - Schneider or J Bolton?"

or

"Who is the better player - Adam S or Jude?

or the use of mixed surname/first name makes it spin doctoring.

Now I'm waiting for a specialist in symbolic logic to step in.

[Nico]

No contest. Schneider by a mile.

[Grant]

Schneider wins hands down.He started showing what he can do as a midfielder,i really think we would have got any where near essendon in the last qtr if it wasn't for him.I haven't seen a sydney midfielder dominate like that for quite a while.

Damn the hammie,just as things were looking up.

[Destructive]

Schniederman.

[sharpie]

I suggest that those who believe that Schneider is at present a better player are a vocal minority.

I voted for Jude. I believe he is a better player at present, but perhaps Adam has been in better form. In the future, Adam may well be a better player, but that isnt the question now.

I would certainly suggest that Jude is more important to our team at the moment, as he is one of our main midfielders, however ineffectual some think he may be currently.

[liz]

Originally posted by sharpie
I suggest that those who believe that Schneider is at present a better player are a vocal minority.

I voted for Jude. I believe he is a better player at present, but perhaps Adam has been in better form. In the future, Adam may well be a better player, but that isnt the question now.

I would certainly suggest that Jude is more important to our team at the moment, as he is one of our main midfielders, however ineffectual some think he may be currently.

I pretty much agree with that. Remember that Jude was third in our best and fairest last year and had a pretty consistent year.

Schneider is continuing to show glimpses of what he might be able to deliver in a couple of years time but at the moment he is only capable of cameos - not a criticism of him, just a reflection of where he is in his physical development.

Also not sure how sensible a comparison it is. If I project forward what Adam might be capable of if he continues on his current development path, I see more of a Paul Williams type than a Jude Bolton type.

[NMWBloods]

My view is that at this point in time Bolton is more important for the side.

Unless something dramatic is done by Bolton, barring injury Schneider will clearly be more important by the end of season 2005.

Schneider has better skills and with just a little more experience he will become a much better player. At the moment experience is the only thing giving Bolton the edge, but that will gradually disappear.