James and Rogers not up to it

[RogueSwan]

Nice positive spin Penga.

willo, while he did kick a couple of shockers, hit bazza on the chest three times which led to shots on goals... a number of his possessions, he was forced to kick around the corner after playing on

Positives: bazza gets a couple of shots on goal

Negatives: shockers that resulted in ??? ...ahh lets forget about those.

Not that I mind, I am sick of the all the downers that have been posted.

[penga]

Originally posted by RogueSwan
Not that I mind, I am sick of the all the downers that have been posted.

my point was that he had a more positive effect on the game than a negative one

people on here just love to remember the negative stuff

[Go Swannies]

Originally posted by penga


people on here just love to remember the negative stuff

Read some of the rubbish about Fossie costing us the game by passing long to Judd just on the 50. I watched the replay of this several times as the event seemed so different to others' memory of it. Fossie had someone chasing him and didn't seem to think he had time to kick. There was no Swan close to him so he passed to a group of three Swans about 20 metres away (high, over some closer Weagles) but the only player who ran to get it was Judd. On the other hand, no-one mentioned that Bazza passed very neatly to Judd earlier on and bang, the ball was down in our defensive 50 within seconds. Fossie= easy target/Bazza=beyond the hint of criticism. Oh, and no-one mentioned Fossie's two snap goals, both created out of nothing.

On the other hand, as the week goes on RWO gets more positive. As someone else said, it's all in the players heads now. There's certainly noting we can do to influence the outcome (except cheer, cheer) and even Paul Roos says it's up to them. I think that statement by him may have been the motivational speech they needed.

[Dpw]

Originally posted by penga
i came on here on sunday or monday not seeing the game. i read a lot of posts flaming players etc and was able to watch the game with retrospect to most of these comments and i just have to LAUGH!!!

the average height of people on this site must be about 7ft, due to the soap boxes everyone is on

james barely put a foot wrong, there were two marks against him that he had a slim chance to spoil but the ball was delivered so well that it was hard for him to dislodge it

rogers gave a good fight, he went to ground a couple of times but thats about all that went wrong

jako's three goals came from a SOFT free kick, a goal in general play (where rogers over committed on the ball and left his man, which was fine as a shot on goal was inevitable), and one from outside 50 after a perfect pass on to his chest!!!

willo, while he did kick a couple of shockers, hit bazza on the chest three times which led to shots on goals... a number of his possessions, he was forced to kick around the corner after playing on

leo and tadhg provided an excellent springboard off half back, leo's mistake when playing on matera was helping out in the contest, matera stayed down

buccy just keeps impressing as well

essentially, all these comments of negativity come from people that take 'a feeling' out of the game and run with it, watch the tape again, and maybe again and have a look at your comments and have a laugh at yourself, coz i know i am

Hmm ............ you don't want a job in the media do you? the way you have painted our boys efforts we were unlucky to lose.
I disagree with your comments because watching a tape only tells you 1/3 of the storey.

[sharp9]

Originally posted by Go Swannies
Oh, and no-one mentioned Fossie's two snap goals, both created out of nothing.

Sorry, totally not true - it has been talked about...esp. in a positive light as in "he did some fantastic work in front of goals whereas he has been struggling in the midfield...maybe Roosey should give him a proper run in the forward pocket."

(I think that was actually me, BTW)

Now, as to whether all the opinions here are unfair, neagtive crap etc, etc.......please see this week's team sheet.

I disagree with your analysis of that moment. On the one hand it was brave and confident and all those things we want our players to possess. It was also executed OK (the ball was going to make it to its intended target......)

It wasn't a skill error per se.....what was lacking was vision. That's the real worry. Can vision be learned and improved? I hope so. It was definitely (IMO) an "above the shoulders" error....the type of error which is occurring frequently enough to see us losing by respectable margins week after week.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Go Swannies
Read some of the rubbish about Fossie costing us the game by passing long to Judd just on the 50. I watched the replay of this several times as the event seemed so different to others' memory of it. Fossie had someone chasing him and didn't seem to think he had time to kick. There was no Swan close to him so he passed to a group of three Swans about 20 metres away (high, over some closer Weagles) but the only player who ran to get it was Judd.

Football is about making the right decisions under pressure. Fosdike simply didn't. There's not doubt it was a critical error as we were only 2 points down and had momentum and it lead directly to a WC goal. Fosdike definitely should have done better.

[Go Swannies]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
Football is about making the right decisions under pressure. Fosdike simply didn't. There's not doubt it was a critical error as we were only 2 points down and had momentum and it lead directly to a WC goal. Fosdike definitely should have done better.

And done what? If he'd gone to kick and he'd been tackled so the ball was free in our back 50 we would have been crucifying him here, too. His pass was to the closest Swans (despite what was said here) and into a wide group of Swans players but only Judd was there to get it.

[Go Swannies]

And Fossie's one "mistake" is analysed endlessly. Count Leo's mistakes in the same game - but not a word here. All players make mistakes. I'm just asking for some perspective rather than victimisation. And, as I said originally, Fossie kicked two great snap goals but that was discounted in him single handedly costing us the game.

[sharpie]

Originally posted by Go Swannies
And Fossie's one "mistake" is analysed endlessly. Count Leo's mistakes in the same game - but not a word here. All players make mistakes. I'm just asking for some perspective rather than victimisation. And, as I said originally, Fossie kicked two great snap goals but that was discounted in him single handedly costing us the game.

But he is meant to be one of our main ball-winning midfielders. Whoopee he kicked to goals in the goal square. Sure that's good and a goal-kicking midfielder can be worth their weight in gold. But where is he when the ball is to be won, and play to be directed, out of the centre square and around the ground? That is why everyone is unhappy with his play at present.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by Go Swannies
And done what? If he'd gone to kick and he'd been tackled so the ball was free in our back 50 we would have been crucifying him here, too. His pass was to the closest Swans (despite what was said here) and into a wide group of Swans players but only Judd was there to get it.

Well, I think he had time and space (given he took a couple of steps before his handball and was not tackled) to take a better option, such as a long kick or a short pass to a man,or simply a better handball.

He didn't lose the game, but it was a pretty poor error at a critical time in the game.

[penga]

Originally posted by Dpw
I disagree with your comments because watching a tape only tells you 1/3 of the storey.

well considering ive watched it 3 times - maybe i got the whole story

have u watched the tape?

[Alec]

I don't think it's fair to blame Fossie for the weekend's result. Far too many missed opportunities that day to single any out.

However, I reckon it's fair comment to suggest the goal that resulted from that turnover was the straw the broke the proverbial that day.

You could almost hear the sigh of relief from WA back here in Sydney.

[sharpie]

I think the majority of people that are focusing on Fosdike are doing so because of a perceived poor run over the last few weeks, not just a one off game (or one off possession) last weekend.

[liz]

Originally posted by Alec


However, I reckon it's fair comment to suggest the goal that resulted from that turnover was the straw the broke the proverbial that day.

Not sure I buy that. The incident happened barely halfway through the final quarter. The Swans had time to score another goal themselves and to concede 3 more (not to mention a few behinds). If a team is going to try to win by launching a final quarter comeback it has to be able to withstand the opposition chipping in with the odd goal as well, regardless of how it is scored.

In the ANZAC game last year when the Swans rampaged home with that 10 goal final quarter, they also conceded 3 goals in that term.

[Alec]

Originally posted by lizz
Not sure I buy that. The incident happened barely halfway through the final quarter. The Swans had time to score another goal themselves and to concede 3 more (not to mention a few behinds). If a team is going to try to win by launching a final quarter comeback it has to be able to withstand the opposition chipping in with the odd goal as well, regardless of how it is scored.

In the ANZAC game last year when the Swans rampaged home with that 10 goal final quarter, they also conceded 3 goals in that term.

I agree to a point. And we've certainly been something of a comback team for a few years.

But that game in 2003, much like a couple of other classic Swannies comebacks (Nth Melb a few times) were in Sydney, usually under lights, in front of a screaming home town crowd, and against middle of the road sides.

Almost without exception we steamrolled to a small lead, and from there the crowd brought us home.

Against the Eagles almost none of the above factors came into play. We gave ourselves an opportunity...but importantly we never took the lead.

And whilst you're right to say that goal didn't end the match for us...it certainly brought whatever panic our 3 quick goals had created to a stop.

Even so, the main point I was trying to make was that Fossie's turnover shouldn't be singled out for the loss.