Mike Sheahan downer

[Diego]

Originally posted by midaro
It's a simple point.

you would think so. But we seem to be the vocal minority around here who can see that.

I don't understand how most of you are on some positive trip when there isnt much to be positve about.

[midaro]

Originally posted by Charlie
Yes... but what would we prefer?
Play badly and lose... or play badly and win?

There's not the full range of options there.
Put it this way: I felt happier with our loss to Brisbane, than with our win yesterday.

Originally posted by Charlie

... Compare it to the Richmond one, it was exactly what we needed - to come out on top in a hard fought contest.

I don't see it that way. For me, yesterday was simply the continuation of the form line that we've been at most of the year. That is: Poor. For mine, Hawthorn just played a little worse than Richmond, we were the same.

[Charlie]

Midaro - in that case, you clearly don't realise the effect that yesterday's game will most likely have on the team's confidence levels.

[Go Swannies]

Originally posted by Diego

And BTW you mention we..but i wouldnt want to be associated with your type of supporter anyway.

I gues that's why you were in Melbourne watching the Saints while the other 25,000 of us were at the SCG supporting our team and then celebrating afterwards?

And no I didn't clap the team off after the Tigers game. They didn't deserve it - not because they lost but because it was the first time that they stopped trying to win since Roos became coach. Fortunately, I haven't seen that in the two games since. And I had to leave because I couldn't bear to listen to that bloody Tiger's song!

[midaro]

Originally posted by Charlie
Midaro - in that case, you clearly don't realise the effect that yesterday's game will most likely have on the team's confidence levels.

I do not believe that that can be known.

Sure they might feel happy about the hard fought out win.

OR

The euphoria they felt after the close win may just turn into: "hang on, we only won by one point, at home, against the bottom side, who were missing FB Hay, CHF Holland, FF/Ruck Thompson, KPP Barker, Hodge, etc"

If the later is the case - the impact may be negative.

As I've said, all I get from yesterday's match is that we're continuing a trend of band form.

[NMWBloods]

Originally posted by midaro
I don't see it that way. For me, yesterday was simply the continuation of the form line that we've been at most of the year. That is: Poor. For mine, Hawthorn just played a little worse than Richmond, we were the same.

I disagree slightly there.

I thought we were slightly better and Hawthorn overall were probably a bit better than Richmond, but didn't have someone like Richo to convert their chances. Given the wet conditions against Richmond, a comparison is also difficult. The main difference is that despite us nearly capitulating in the last quarter in both games, against Hawthorn we actually fought on in the last 9 minutes and seemed to want to win. That we did our best not to, is at least better than barely trying, which is the way it seemed against Richmond.

[desredandwhite]

It's all relative. After losing four games in a row, some of them to quite ordinary opposition, ANY sort of win is a relief.

Having said that, as I mentioned in the other thread, the win was not convincing, nor was it the type of performance I am particularly happy with. When the final siren went, my resultant cheer and applause were for the RESULT, not the performance. I was relieved as hell that we finally eked out a gutsy win. That's not wrong, is it?

We still have a bit of work to do, if we want to get back to anywhere near the level of 2003, but I think this side is still capable of it this year. If that makes me delusional, so be it! I'll continue to hope for the best, while preparing for the worst.

[Alec]

Originally posted by NMWBloods
I disagree slightly there.

I thought we were slightly better and Hawthorn overall were probably a bit better than Richmond, but didn't have someone like Richo to convert their chances. Given the wet conditions against Richmond, a comparison is also difficult. The main difference is that despite us nearly capitulating in the last quarter in both games, against Hawthorn we actually fought on in the last 9 minutes and seemed to want to win. That we did our best not to, is at least better than barely trying, which is the way it seemed against Richmond.

I think this says a lot about the Swannies season. We've lacked some finishing power for otherwise competitive outings. Even the Manuka game wasn't a truly 4 qtr performance (altho we recovered well from our shocking start that day).

I'd say the weekend's game was a great exhibition of passion rather performance. But we shouldn't underrate passion.

[Diego]

Originally posted by Go Swannies
I gues that's why you were in Melbourne watching the Saints while the other 25,000 of us were at the SCG supporting our team and then celebrating afterwards?

Ohhh please do your talking walking buddy. The most pathetic reply on RWO since LondonSwan used to post here.

I am in melbounre b/c of work commitments. I wanted to watch a game of live footy and I went to watch the saints. I didnt clap any of their goals, i didnt even cheer when they were towling the coolers. When the team song came on i was singing cheer cheer to piss my mates off.

God your an idiot.

[Newbie]

Originally posted by Charlie
Yes... but what would we prefer?

Play badly and lose... or play badly and win?

Why limit our option only to these two? Who force us to those two? I thought there is another one. Play great and win handsomely.

I am with midaro and the minority here.

While one could feel relieved after the game and while one could hope this could kick-start the whole season for greater thing, prior experiences might have pointed out that this could be a merely abrevation (sp?).

I concur with the observation by midaro that whatever on the display on the game re-inforces the belief that we dont have the substance to win a premiership. For those who want to believe otherwise, just ask yourself a honest question:

How many of our players on the team yestersday could be a premiership player for us .

My answer borderlines about half of the team. Where do we go and find the other half? From our injury list, everyteam has injuries and that is something we need cater for too. Getting 12 players of quality are going to take really long time. May be 5 years at minimum. The future looks bleek from this perspective.

Unhappy within happiness (from the win). A touch of Oxymoron feeling, isn't.

[Diego]

Originally posted by Newbie
Why limit our option only to these two? Who force us to those two? I thought there is another one. Play great and win handsomely.

I am with midaro and the minority here.

While one could feel relieved after the game and while one could hope this could kick-start the whole season for greater thing, prior experiences might have pointed out that this could be a merely abrevation (sp?).

I concur with the observation by midaro that whatever on the display on the game re-inforces the belief that we dont have the substance to win a premiership. For those who want to believe otherwise, just ask yourself a honest question:

How many of our players on the team yestersday could be a premiership player for us .

My answer borderlines about half of the team. Where do we go and find the other half? From our injury list, everyteam has injuries and that is something we need cater for too. Getting 12 players of quality are going to take really long time. May be 5 years at minimum. The future looks bleek from this perspective.

Unhappy within happiness (from the win). A touch of Oxymoron feeling, isn't.

hear here.

[sharpie]

I am with Diego, etc, mostly on this point. The swans have played mostly ordinary footy all season, and it was just a continuation yesterday.

However,

I agree with whoever said in another thread that after losing 4 in a row, you couldnt really expect them to come out and be world beaters all of a sudden.

As such, I'm hoping that yesterday will instill some confidence in the side. The longest journey starts with the smallest step, and crap like that. Jude Bolton mostly had another quiet day, but his goal may just boost his confidence enormously so he gets back towards where he was at last year.

So yes, yesterday's win was hardly anything to feel inspired about, but hopefully it will be the start of getting us out of the rut.

[Go Swannies]

Originally posted by sharpie
So yes, yesterday's win was hardly anything to feel inspired about, but hopefully it will be the start of getting us out of the rut.

Maybe the team jumped out of the rut when Roos said last week that a close loss was no more honorable than any other loss? If there was ever a game in the balance it was yesterday and the Swans hung in to grind out the win.

And did Saddo really kiss the ball when he was still holding it as the siren went? He was on the other side of the ground to me but that's what it looked like.

[Snowy]

On yesterday's performance Sheahan is spot on, but he is a knee jerk reaction type of media man. Wait to see how he hops on the bandwagon after a few wins.

[hardluck_harry]

Originally posted by Newbie
[B]Why limit our option only to these two? Who force us to those two? I thought there is another one. Play great and win handsomely.

Apart from draws, there's only two options, win and you get the 4 points, lose and you get nothing. Anything else is purely aesthetics.

Big positive out of this game is with 15 minutes to go it was looking like a 5 goal loss. That the Swans stopped Hawthorn run-on and were able to get back in front and win should be a big boost to the team's morale and showed a lot of grit.