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  • DST
    The voice of reason!
    • Jan 2003
    • 2705

    The loss has to be this weekend

    'Tired' Saints cancel training
    4:37:43 PM Wed 2 June, 2004
    Paul Gough
    Sportal

    Is this the first sign that the all-conquering Saints are feeling the pinch in 2004?

    That was the question that was raised by coach Grant Thomas' shock decision to call off training at Moorabbin on Wednesday afternoon, just moments before the session was about to begin.

    Thomas soon explained the decision was based on a previously unknown internal scoring system which measures the "physical and mental well-being" of his players - which revealed that as a group they were in fact tired.



    So quickly was the decision taken that it caught not only the spectators that had gathered to watch training at a freezing Moorabbin by surprise but also some of the players.

    In fact senior players Nick Riewoldt, Aaron Hamill, Jason Blake, Heath Black and Stephen Powell were already on the training track and reacted with surprise when they were quickly ushered inside by assistant coach Terry Daniher.

    Within minutes Thomas had come outside to reveal that instead of training, the Saints' players would do some indoor work and then the whole group would be off to see a movie.

    Thomas revealed that for the past three years each player every day has had to fill in a chart rating how they were feeling from one (being the best) to five (being the worst) in seven separate categories - which he did not reveal.

    The score of each player was then divided into an average across the group and if that average was above 18, then that meant the players as a group were feeling below-par.

    "We get the scores on the guys every day and the scores were a little bit higher today which was a bit unusual," he said.

    Thomas said the usual average score for the group was around 16 while a score of seven (the best) would mean "the guys are on top of the world" and a score of 35 (the worst) would mean "they probably wouldn't be here.?

    "I suppose it?s news (that the Saints' own internal scoring system revealed the players are tired), we weren't anticipating it would be news but I guess it is."

    The Saints are coming off a club record 10 successive wins to start the season to put them three games clear at the top of the ladder but face a tough game against Sydney in Sydney on Sunday.
    However Thomas said he was not concerned by the revelation his players as a group were starting to feel tired, believing he knew the reason for it and that it would not last.

    "They did four hours of clinics yesterday and that can be taxing standing around on the end of a couple of hard weeks so they are feeling the pinch a bit and we are guided by that."

    "But we will keep them fresh and see what happens."

    Compare that to our training session as reported by Lizz in another thread, this is the week. Come on AFL tribunal give us Barry.

    DST
    "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

  • NMWBloods
    Taking Refuge!!
    • Jan 2003
    • 15819

    #2
    Re: The loss has to be this weekend

    Originally posted by DST
    Thomas revealed that for the past three years each player every day has had to fill in a chart rating how they were feeling from one (being the best) to five (being the worst) in seven separate categories - which he did not reveal.

    The score of each player was then divided into an average across the group and if that average was above 18, then that meant the players as a group were feeling below-par.
    That's a very good system - I wonder if the other clubs do something similar.
    Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

    "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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    • DST
      The voice of reason!
      • Jan 2003
      • 2705

      #3
      Re: Re: The loss has to be this weekend

      Originally posted by NMWBloods
      That's a very good system - I wonder if the other clubs do something similar.
      Was thinking the same thing to, tries to take the guess work out of wether the team is up or not and at least allows for the coaching staff to try and do something about it before the game.

      Would suggest you may see a couple of changes in the side to freshen it up, which could be to our advantage.

      I for one reckon Gherig should have a rest this week?

      DST
      "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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      • Grant
        On the Rookie List
        • Jan 2003
        • 579

        #4
        Re: Re: Re: The loss has to be this weekend

        Originally posted by DST

        I for one reckon Gherig should have a rest this week?

        DST
        I'll second that.

        would be very handy.
        The Future is Bright,The Future is Red And White.

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        • Go Swannies
          Veterans List
          • Sep 2003
          • 5697

          #5
          This is from The Bladder and is very funny - well, until Sunday. Aints tired already? Remember Mick M said that winning the Wizard took a bit out of the Pies by finals time? The downwards half of the season could be interesting. . .


          AFL
          Young Blues fan traumatised by Saints massacare.
          By pedro
          Monday, 31 May 2004

          The parent of young Carlton supporter Tommy Mills is under investigation by the Department of Child Welfare. Following Sunday's massacre at Telsta Stadium in which St.Kilda humiliated the Blues, Mr. Ted Mills has been questioned by both Juvenile Aid and Family Services.
          Allegations of abuse have been levelled at Mr. Mills for subjecting his nine year old son Tommy to the horrific scenes endured on Sunday.
          Tommy who was to celebrate his tenth birthday this Tuesday is currently sedated and in a state of shock. Tommy a life long Blues supporter elected to watch Carlton play St.Kilda with his father rather than have a party with friends at McDonalds. Against the wishes of Tommy's mother Elsie, Ted agreed to spend the Sunday at Telstra stadium with his son. "Bonding, he called it. The bloody fool." Elsie told the Bladder. "Tommy is a mess, he wet the bed last night for the first time in seven years. I ask you what sort of father traumatises his own son like this?"
          Elsie continued "I'm at a loss, last night I tried to lighten the mood by suggesting we watch Frasier for a laugh. Tommy the poor darlin just started screaming uncontrollably."
          Witnesses at Telstra Stadium described how Tommy Mills became an innocent victim of Sunday's slaughter.
          Ian Stool was sitting next to Tommy at the the game. "Yeah nah he seemed like a nice kid, he was pretty excited before the game, but that didn't last long. By half way through the second quarter the little beggar was in tears. He just kept on saying "Daddy make them stop," over and over again."
          "Yeah nah let's face it the game was over by half time, but that bastard kept his child there until the end of the third quarter." Mr.Stool continued. "Yeah nah I'm a Saints man but I don't like to see the little ones suffer, doesn't matter who they support. I hope the bastard gets 10 years putting his boy through that."
          Mr.Mills who faces a harsh penalty under the Child protection and neglect legislation was not confident of avoiding a severe punishment. "I simply wanted to take my boy to the footy, it was his wish to see his team play. I have no excuse for my actions. Having watched the game again on replay I shall plead guilty and throw myself a the mercy of the court. I only wish I had of reacted earlier so as to spare my son from the atrocities he witnessed."

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          • dendol
            fat-arsed midfielder
            • Oct 2003
            • 1483

            #6
            haha, too funny, GS!

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            • Munga
              On the Rookie List
              • Jun 2004
              • 8

              #7
              GT doesn't get recognised for his innovative ideas, just copied. Its a bit like plagiarism, its ok when you put down your references.
              I can wait.

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              • lizz
                Veteran
                Site Admin
                • Jan 2003
                • 16772

                #8
                Not trying to knock Thomas or St Kilda for the sake of it (after all, it's hard to argue against anything they are doing at the moment) but I'd have thought that if you spend hours every day watching and talking with your staff you should have a pretty good idea of how they are feeling without them having to fill in a form.

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                • Munga
                  On the Rookie List
                  • Jun 2004
                  • 8

                  #9
                  Nah man I wasn't saying that about you guys, just like the media ect.
                  I can wait.

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                  • DST
                    The voice of reason!
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 2705

                    #10
                    Originally posted by lizz
                    Not trying to knock Thomas or St Kilda for the sake of it (after all, it's hard to argue against anything they are doing at the moment) but I'd have thought that if you spend hours every day watching and talking with your staff you should have a pretty good idea of how they are feeling without them having to fill in a form.
                    Don't forget you are dealing with 30+ individuals, some of whom who are young and might not actualy feel they are in a position to speak up about how they are feeling for fear of being ridiculed/dropped etc.

                    Alternatively it is only natural you take the older players tghoughts more seriously and they maybe different to the rest of the players and you get the wrong signal.

                    The survey is done annomously so it is a good way of getting some honest feedback in a group situation.

                    DST
                    "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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                    • lizz
                      Veteran
                      Site Admin
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 16772

                      #11
                      Originally posted by DST

                      The survey is done annomously so it is a good way of getting some honest feedback in a group situation.

                      DST
                      From the discussion currently happening on SEN with Dal Santo and Thompson, it doesn't sound like it's anonymous. They were asked whether the results are only considered on an average / amalgamated basis, or whether individuals are treated independently. They confirmed it was the latter.

                      I agree it is a large group of players, but clubs have many coaches and other support staff, not to mention older players mentoring the younger ones.

                      If it works for the Saints, great for them. My comment was only meant to suggest that you don't have to have a written questionnaire to have a pretty good idea of how your staff are feeling if you take the time to observe them and talk with them. Other teams are almost certainly monitoring the mood of their team without using such a tool.

                      And as Thompson and Dal Santo pointed out, the only reason this is "news" today is because they are top of the league on an unbeaten run of 10. They have been using this survey for 3 or so years and have had days off before.

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                      • bloodboy
                        Mmmmm...Donuts
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 352

                        #12
                        I have to admit, I thought GT was one of the biggest mistakes St. Kilda had made when they appointed him (and there have been a few of them down at Moorabbin). I thought after the Wizard Cup victory that St. Kilda would just go on to repeat what they have done every other promising year and choke. Boy am I eating my words now...GT has a lot of good ideas (eg. the pen to paper feelings ratings) but maybe he just has a few too many good ideas. I think that if he puts too many ideas into action the players will eventually burn out (cos lets admit it, footy boys aren't the smartest bunch). Anyways, good on the Saints and good luck to em...they, like us, deserve something to cheer about once in a while. Well, every week except this one of course. I reckon you guys are right, this is the week they will be at their most vulnerable and hopefully the boys can get out there and play some decent footy for the four points.

                        GO BLOODBOYS!
                        Go you mighty BLOODBOYS!

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                        • hemsleys
                          It's Goodes to cheer!!
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 23665

                          #13
                          So what movie did they see????

                          Something calming like;

                          TROY!! The Day after tomorrow!! Van Hesling!!!

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