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ha ha i vow bolton will come good :P but i do agree with your views to a point...i just think he will get there in the end
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Get your sponge out now. Top 20 from the 2003 Brownlow:Originally posted by swansrule100
if he isnt considered in the top 20 players in the afl by the time he is 27 i will admit i was wrong and wash your car and clean your house
Mark Ricciuto Adelaide Crows 22
Nathan Buckley Collingwood 22
Adam Goodes Sydney 22
Shane Crawford Hawthorn 21
Gavin Wanganeen Port Adelaide Power 21
Ben Cousins West Coast Eagles 21
Michael Voss Brisbane Lions 19
James Hird Essendon 19
Peter Bell Fremantle Dockers 19
Andrew McLeod Adelaide Crows 18
Robert Harvey St Kilda 18
Nigel Lappin Brisbane Lions 17
Brent Harvey * Kangaroos 16
Warren Tredrea Port Adelaide Power 16
Mark Coughlan Richmond 16
Matthew Lloyd Essendon 14
Paul Hasleby Fremantle Dockers 13
Nick Stevens Port Adelaide Power 13
Jude Bolton Sydney 13
Chad Fletcher West Coast Eagles 13Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way you'll be a mile away and he'll be shoeless.Comment
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then isnt he in the top 20?? and thus makes me right already?? so i dont clean anything? :P
does the brownlow reflect the overall standing in the league?? if it does bolton is a top 20 player...
i remember in 1990 wright from collingwood was second or at least on year he was... he was never in the top 20 in the leagueTheres not much left to sayComment
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The Brownlow is not a great measure of the best players in the comp. Usually it manages to pick one of the best to win, but many good players don't poll well and the order is not particularly meaningful.Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.
"[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."Comment
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for once I 100% agree with youOriginally posted by NMWBloods
The Brownlow is not a great measure of the best players in the comp. Usually it manages to pick one of the best to win, but many good players don't poll well and the order is not particularly meaningful.
what an historic moment :P
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Why haven't we got a smiley for "I'm going to be sick"?Originally posted by Tooth Fairy
Oh I wasn't agreeing with them. pfft. When I said "we" I meant you and I. I never disagree with you nmw
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heheheOriginally posted by chammond
Why haven't we got a smiley for "I'm going to be sick"?If u don't believe me, I will knock your bloody teeth out and not pay you a cent.Comment
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You're just jealous because he never agrees with you...!!Originally posted by chammond
Why haven't we got a smiley for "I'm going to be sick"?
Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.
"[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."Comment
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Well, every now and again you say something that is right...Originally posted by swansrule100
for once I 100% agree with you what an historic moment :P
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"[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."Comment
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Exactly, especially given that Chris Judd finished below Jude, and only 3 above Fossie.Originally posted by NMWBloods
The Brownlow is not a great measure of the best players in the comp. Usually it manages to pick one of the best to win, but many good players don't poll well and the order is not particularly meaningful.Sit down or i swear to God i'll have you shot.Comment
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The Brownlow tends to go to midfielders and ruckmen, it's rare that a brownlow is won by a fullback or full forward.Originally posted by NMWBloods
The Brownlow is not a great measure of the best players in the comp. Usually it manages to pick one of the best to win, but many good players don't poll well and the order is not particularly meaningful.
Mind you, they pick Swans players about every 6 to 8 years, so they do pick the best players regularly
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Just one other comment on this, which I thought of today (and has been raised before), one of the problems with J Bolton is he doesn't keep his feet enough. His first option is nearly always to dive into the pack and try to grab the ball. Admirable courage but not always the best option. Have a look at somewhat like Simon Black, who spends plenty of time in packs but also recognises when to keep his feet. More importantly though, when he does dive into a pack, he has the ability to grab the ball, find an option and deliver to that option before being swallowed by the pack. This is one thing that separates the really effective clearers from the rest.Originally posted by Mark
if you are constantly under packs it is tough to then also be on your feet and shut down your direct opponent.Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.
"[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."Comment
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Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
The Brownlow tends to go to midfielders and ruckmen, it's rare that a brownlow is won by a fullback or full forward.
Mind you, they pick Swans players about every 6 to 8 years, so they do pick the best players regularly
yeh cos normally the winner is from a middle of the ladder team so we win a lot... tho the last view years its very much the top teams with brownlows... in fact the last few have at least played in the grand final
woewoden or however u spell it akkermanis, black and buckley... tho its goodseys medal!Theres not much left to sayComment
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It's actually from a mix, not normally from the middle of the ladder, and most of the time it actually comes from the top third of the ladder - a finalist.Originally posted by swansrule100
yeh cos normally the winner is from a middle of the ladder team so we win a lot... tho the last view years its very much the top teams with brownlows... in fact the last few have at least played in the grand final
Here is a list of where the team(s) of the Brownlow medallist(s) finished.
2003: 2, 3, 5
2002: 1
2001: 1
2000: 2
1999: 9
1998: 7
1997: 2
1996: 3, 4
1995: 12
1994: 3
1993: 1
1992: 3
1991: 4
1990: 7
1989: 2
1988: 7
1987: 1, 10
1986: 1, 4
1985: 3
1984: 9
1983: 3
1982: 8
1981: 4, 9
1980: 10
1979: 2
1978: 2
1977: 5
1976: 10
1975: 7
When I started watching football, the first few medals were to low or middle sides, so I thought that was how it would be most of the time. However, most of the time it actually tends to go to finalists, and this has been even more pronounced since 1991 (not just because the number of finalists is larger).
Of the 19 medals to 1990, 9 were in the top third, 5 in the middle third and 5 in the bottom third. Reasonable mix, but skewed towards the top.
Of the 16 from 1991 to 2003, 13 were in the top third, 1 in the middle third and 2 in the bottom third. Very skewed towards the top.Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.
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Wouldn't this be because most of the 3 and 2 votes go to players from the winning side in each match?Originally posted by NMWBloods
Of the 16 from 1991 to 2003, 13 were in the top third, 1 in the middle third and 2 in the bottom third. Very skewed towards the top.Comment
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