Why Havent We Won A Flag Since 1933?

[swansrule100]

Why havent we even looked like winning the flag since 33... we had the odd moment where maybe we looked capable...eg 96 possibly 98 and 2003....

but even now we are still always struggling to be consistent, we show glimpses but dont deliver and surely a club should be able to eventually get the mix right once in a 70 year span?

any thoughts?


personally i think the swans have a culture of almost fear... the swans get 30 up in a game and theres a feeling like lets hope we dont lose this one... or we get to the top of the ladder and its hope we hang on... i think the club is not arragont enough perhaps... but i guess that comes from success... its all connected

[Charlie]

Sorry, but that's garbage.

Why would Jared Crouch or Michael O'Loughlin feel any connection to the events of 1941 or 1969?

[Thunder Shaker]

Re: Why Havent We Won A Flag Since 1933?

Originally posted by swansrule100
Why havent we even looked like winning the flag since 33...

I beg to differ. Since 1933, the Swans have made the Grand Final 5 times.

[Nico]

Probably haven't had a side good enough, and we have had some very ordinary coaches over the years that were not able to get the best out of some very good sides.

[dimelb]

Re: Why Havent We Won A Flag Since 1933?

Originally posted by swansrule100
Why havent we even looked like winning the flag since 33...

Injuries - like now!

[robbieando]

A truck has alot to do with matters. That and poor team management in the 50's and 60's that meant we just couldn't buy premierships like the Roos, Tigers, Blues and the like did in the 70's and 80's. Since the move to Sydney things off field haven't helped as well.

[footyhead]

Originally posted by Charlie
Sorry, but that's garbage.

Why would Jared Crouch or Michael O'Loughlin feel any connection to the events of 1941 or 1969?

Charlie,
you obviously do not understand the nuance of culture or anything to do with metaphysics.
There is a chain of influence in any ancestry. Until we understand this and seek to break its bonds, I suspect that we may be asking this question of "why" for a lot longer.
The answer seems to me to lie in the need for some kind of visionary who can rise up and take the club to another level.
With so much at stake for the AFL in Sydney though I don't think the Swans are likley to be afforded the luxury needed to move in this direction.
This kind of reordering would be a move of great confidance and also risk and although I have had great hope in relation to Andrew Island, considering that what the lions have done is similar to what I think is required at the Swans, I am a tad pessimistic that this will be acheived at the Swans, precisley because of the phenomena noticed and drawn to our attention by "Swansrule100". Very good teams have an Autonomy missing at Sydney.
The Swans are still an experiment in Sydney, and until they become more than this, they will always be mediocre.
Long live the king - where ever he or she maybe found. This club needs determind leadership that is not afraid to make the hard decisions and do what ever is necessary to reverse this clubs pitiful cuture once and for all. I only hope it could be Paul Roos and/ Andrew Island.

xxxx

PS. Bracing myself for the hate mail and slander that is mandatory for any criticism of the Swans on this board.

[footyhead]

By the way why are there two threads by this name ?

[footyhead]

[Bart]

Originally posted by footyhead
Charlie,
you obviously do not understand the nuance of culture or anything to do with metaphysics.
There is a chain of influence in any ancestry. Until we understand this and seek to break its bonds, I suspect that we may be asking this question of "why" for a lot longer.
The answer seems to me to lie in the need for some kind of visionary who can rise up and take the club to another level.
With so much at stake for the AFL in Sydney though I don't think the Swans are likley to be afforded the luxury needed to move in this direction.
This kind of reordering would be a move of great confidance and also risk and although I have had great hope in relation to Andrew Island, considering that what the lions have done is similar to what I think is required at the Swans, I am a tad pessimistic that this will be acheived at the Swans, precisley because of the phenomena noticed and drawn to our attention by "Swansrule100". Very good teams have an Autonomy missing at Sydney.
The Swans are still an experiment in Sydney, and until they become more than this, they will always be mediocre.
Long live the king - where ever he or she maybe found. This club needs determind leadership that is not afraid to make the hard decisions and do what ever is necessary to reverse this clubs pitiful cuture once and for all. I only hope it could be Paul Roos and/ Andrew Island.

xxxx

PS. Bracing myself for the hate mail and slander that is mandatory for any criticism of the Swans on this board.

Footyhead your standard of spelling is certainly improving. Once we get that fixed we'll start on stringing words together into meaningful sentences.

[penga]

Einhorn is Finkle.
Finkle is Einhorn.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Re: Why Havent We Won A Flag Since 1933?

Originally posted by swansrule100
but even now we are still always struggling to be consistent, we show glimpses but dont deliver and surely a club should be able to eventually get the mix right once in a 70 year span?

any thoughts?

The administration and coaches have always been the Swans greatest problem ~ not the players.

No matter the changes in personel, throughout our history our adminstration has swung between cowardly vacilation and intemporate brainfarts.

To illustrate the point, in 1982 our youngsters won the night flag. Unfortunately that team never got to mature at the Swans poor administration of the move saw players such as the Morwoods, Foschini, Rhys-Jones etc. etc. dispearsed throughout the VFL.
An intemporate brainfart!

In the so called Edelstun years, we made finals and crashed out. The response of the administration was an intemperate explosion during which administrators slagged off then sold off our best team for decades. Probably broke the teams cohesion.
Then began our worst period where week willed coaches in an effort to appear to be doing something recruited every has-been and never-was to join the Swans.
Intemporate brainfart followed by cowardly vacilation!

In 1996 we made the GF and lost, and then entered another period of bandaid recruiting, selling off young talents and draft choices in order to purchase some good but aging players and a few outright hacks.
Cowardly vacilation!

Even to go back into the distant past, when we first gained the nickname of the Swans, the great teams of the 30's were cut up by the loss of both Nash and Pratt.
Intemporate brainfart!

In addition we have a remarkable history of trading of champions sight unseen (Neale Daniher, Wayne Carey, John Longmire)
Intemporate brainfart!

And changing coaches with remarkable frequency.
Cowardly vacilation!

Speaking of which that's why I had such great hopes for Paul Roos when he started. He announced that he wanted 5 years to build a Brisbane, that fans wold have to be patient, not to expect immediate results, that we probably wouldn't be a serious premiership contender for several years. It sounded like a dose of sanity for a club whose behavior has often bordered on the insane.

In fact it sounded like the sort of steely resolve required to create a powerfull club.

Unfortunately last years wonderfull performance has overinflated the expectations of many people, some honestly believed this was our year (I have no chrystal ball, so it way yet be) but it shouldn't matter!
Nomatter what the coach and administration must not be diverted from their aims for the future by the hyperbole of today.

To do so yet again will consign us to another 70 years without a flag.

[Go Swannies]

Good post Ruckman. By the way, with that name where the hell were you when we needed you on Sunday.

If you look over most of the posts you'll see how enthused we are with the developing skills of Bevan, Buchana, McVeigh etc. But obviously we're not as happy with the players who are going to take much longer to to develop - LRT MJ, etc. So yes, it's long term.

The problem was that the Swans did so well on exuberance alone. If you watch last year's games they were riddled with errors. Then there was the reality check of the Lions in the PF. But we thought it would just all roll along this year. It hasn't.

But I haven't seen Roos suggest he's compromised his long term plans. He is still saying that he has to introduce the young players gradually - and injuries have given him a chance to introduce a few more, earlier. Sadly, it means that Stewie and Willo, etc are unlikely to win a flag - time will run out.

Keeping the team towards the front of the middle of the pack while rebuilding is about the best we can expect. It's a lot better than the Saints did during their rebuilding.

The whole comp is in a state of flux right now and we may do better than expected again this year. There are very few games we should expect to lose on the way home. But we have to play better as a team - and iron out the difference between our best and worst games. I thought the Lions were finished this time last year but they just kept going. This year they are simply motoring along while everyone else is like us - playing well then badly, repeat ad infinitum.

We do need some young key recruits and I'll be interested to see what we find. Right now I expect us to play finals and if we lift as we did last year we may do alright in them. If injuries and spirit all flow the right way we could even be in the Grand Final but I don't expect that.

As you say we have to run on a long term plan. That's not embracing mediocrity - it's trying to avoid it. The other option is the quick fix and we can see how that's not working out for the Crows, can't we?

I'll never accept a game played with the flat footed awfulness of Sunday's but we can probably expect a few more.

[SXP]

Spot-on, Go Swannies.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

Originally posted by Go Swannies
If you look over most of the posts you'll see how enthused we are with the developing skills of Bevan, Buchana, McVeigh etc. But obviously we're not as happy with the players who are going to take much longer to to develop - LRT MJ, etc. So yes, it's long term.

Yes, we seem very good with the new kids, but it's the ones you have been around the place for a few years who cop the "Intemporate brainfart" posts.

Sure B1 isn't a combination of Bob Skilton and Paul Kelly
but
On the other hand he isn't Scott Watters or Adrian Battiston either.

Yet some people want him shipped out next trade period (in fact, I don't think there are that many players on the list that someone doen't want traded).

I just hope that sort of thinking doesn't infect the Swans footy department.

For every fan who wants to sell this player and sell that one in an orgy of brain explosion, there's others who haven't forgotten Roos' predictions.

Originally posted by Go Swannies
By the way, with that name where the hell were you when we needed you on Sunday.

I was sick in bed ~ like all the rest.