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  • penga
    Senior Player
    • Jan 2003
    • 2601

    pfft - defence isnt the issue

    thanks to prostats, this is how our defence ranks:

    DEFENCE

    POINTS AGAINST

    we rank 4th in points against at 87

    better than brisbane, who rank 6th at 89

    SPOILS

    we rank 14th with 18 a game

    st kilda rank 13th with also 18 a game; they rank as the no. 1 defence

    carlton are 2nd with 22 a game


    RUCK

    SCORING FROM CENTRE BOUNCE

    scoring from the centre bounce we rank 15th with 31 goals

    brisbane are no. 1 with 57


    SCORING FROM BALL UP

    we rank very well at 2nd, i assume this would be from bazza's influence in the forward 50


    SCORING FROM THROW IN

    back to normal, we rank 14th with 35 goals

    brisbane rank 1st with 57


    CLEARANCES

    we rank 11th

    brisbane rank 1st



    we rank better than brisbane's defence but are poorly lacking when it comes from scoring from clearances and clearances themselves

    which area do we need to address again?
    C'mon Chels!
  • robbieando
    The King
    • Jan 2003
    • 2750

    #2
    Re: pfft - defence isnt the issue

    Originally posted by penga
    which area do we need to address again?
    The forward line
    Once was, now elsewhere

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    • penga
      Senior Player
      • Jan 2003
      • 2601

      #3
      Re: Re: pfft - defence isnt the issue

      Originally posted by robbieando
      The forward line
      LOL!

      granted, if youre implying the forward line actually being on the park!
      C'mon Chels!

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      • robbieando
        The King
        • Jan 2003
        • 2750

        #4
        That could always help, but I was saying that as a joke. I agree, its not our defence that needs improvement, its our rucks. The key however will be if Ball plays on for another season, thus given Doyle and Ericsson a chance to get ready to be our ruck duo in 2006. As to how to go about getting a ruckman this year, I say draft one.
        Once was, now elsewhere

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        • NMWBloods
          Taking Refuge!!
          • Jan 2003
          • 15819

          #5
          The midfield!

          We are coming 13th for Inside 50s, with 46 cf StKilda who are first with 55.

          We have too many handballs - 42% of our disposals are handballs; other sides are 40% or less (eg: Brisbane 38%).

          We are poor at going coast-to-coast (14th and only 9 goals).

          We have a lot of handling errors - 11th.

          We are doing well in contested ball gets though - 1st with 37, but not well with uncontested ball gets (12th) and hence total (8th).
          Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

          "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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          • penga
            Senior Player
            • Jan 2003
            • 2601

            #6
            have all those people demanding a tall back suddenly gone quiet or something?

            comment within please!

            dont let the facts get in the way of an emotion
            C'mon Chels!

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            • dendol
              fat-arsed midfielder
              • Oct 2003
              • 1483

              #7
              ok, how do we fix our clearance problems?? With a short, fat-arsed "extractor" types who can get down low and go go go. Last year, Roosy and co recruited Willoughby and Schmidt. We have seen Buchanan and Fixter show very good signs, and we may well see Bevan get more of a run in the middle. I dont know what plans they have for Schnieder, but in that bunch, I am very confident we will get find some hard, clearance-getting midfielders. Add this to BoltonL and Kirky and things are looking for the future.

              We need a STAR midfielder (clearances would be a bonus) or a high potential KPP defender this draft/trade peroid.

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              • penga
                Senior Player
                • Jan 2003
                • 2601

                #8
                Originally posted by dendol
                ok, how do we fix our clearance problems?? With a short, fat-arsed "extractor" types who can get down low and go go go. Last year, Roosy and co recruited Willoughby and Schmidt. We have seen Buchanan and Fixter show very good signs, and we may well see Bevan get more of a run in the middle. I dont know what plans they have for Schnieder, but in that bunch, I am very confident we will get find some hard, clearance-getting midfielders. Add this to BoltonL and Kirky and things are looking for the future.

                We need a STAR midfielder (clearances would be a bonus) or a high potential KPP defender this draft/trade peroid.
                yup, i agree, but change what is italicised to: KPP ruck or forward...
                C'mon Chels!

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                • RogueSwan
                  McVeigh for Brownlow
                  • Apr 2003
                  • 4602

                  #9
                  Originally posted by NMWBloods

                  We have too many handballs - 42% of our disposals are handballs; other sides are 40% or less (eg: Brisbane 38%).

                  I have posted this elsewhere but there is a direct correlation between our no. of handballs and points scored.

                  average handballs and average points scored

                  the more handballs the more points
                  "Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017

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                  • Nico
                    Veterans List
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 11339

                    #10
                    Re: Re: pfft - defence isnt the issue

                    Originally posted by robbieando
                    The forward line
                    Slightly wrong there Robbie. Try kicking into the forward line.

                    Watch last weeks game, 1stQ. We should have been 5 goals in front against the wind at Q time. Kicking and handballing to targets going into the forward line was nothing short of appalling. Get this right and we almost beat anyone.

                    We did grubbers, kicks 20 metres past leading forwards, kicks 5 metres short of a leading forward (Micky must be waiting for the twang), they kicked sideways to no one and even backwards. And that was not from standing kicks.

                    This has been our main problem all season. If and when we get it right, watch out.
                    http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                    • NMWBloods
                      Taking Refuge!!
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 15819

                      #11
                      Originally posted by RogueSwan
                      I have posted this elsewhere but there is a direct correlation between our no. of handballs and points scored.

                      average handballs and average points scored

                      the more handballs the more points
                      Hey - that's really interesting. I'd also like to see kicks and opponent disposals on the same chart though.
                      Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                      "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                      • Rob-bloods
                        What a year 2005 SSFC/CFC
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 931

                        #12
                        Re: pfft - defence isnt the issue

                        Originally posted by penga
                        thanks to prostats, this is how our defence ranks:

                        DEFENCE

                        POINTS AGAINST

                        we rank 4th in points against at 87

                        better than brisbane, who rank 6th at 89

                        ?
                        These stats are interesting, does that mean if we rank No 1 in defence on Prostats we get the Premiership Cup?

                        Afraid not, we have to hold players like Lynch, Brown,Lloyd, Neitz etc in tight finals, and we need a defensive BBBH option IMHO to complete the picture.

                        Yes we can improve with a midfield 'star' , but our small brigade is OK and improving. Give me a Leppitsch Harley Maguire Scarlett type and I would feel a lot happier.
                        Sports do not build character. They reveal it....Heywood Broun

                        I always turn to the sports pages first, which record people's accomplishments. The front page has nothing but man's failures......Earl Warren

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                        • Nico
                          Veterans List
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 11339

                          #13
                          I think it is pretty hard to quantify handballs. I would love to see how many we stuff up where we have complete control going forward from anywhere on the ground. This is where the turnovers happen regularly.

                          Also the unnecessary ones where they handball sideways to someone who calls and is under extreme pressure, when they are well clear themselves. Surely a quick penetrating kick to an open forward line is a better option.

                          Handballs in extreme traffic and when scrambling around in packs can be somewhat excused if they don't always hit targets.
                          http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                          • floppinab
                            Senior Player
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 1681

                            #14
                            Originally posted by dendol
                            ok, how do we fix our clearance problems?? With a short, fat-arsed "extractor" types who can get down low and go go go.
                            Nup that's not it

                            We have too many handballs - 42% of our disposals are handballs; other sides are 40% or less (eg: Brisbane 38%).
                            Ah yes put these two together and what do you get????

                            We DO get enough ball in at the stoppages BUT stuff around too much with it which leads to

                            We have a lot of handling errors - 11th.
                            creating another stoppage or more damaging turning it over.

                            Watch any game in the past year or so, we very very rarely do a clearing disposal with the first hands on the footy at a stoppage 9 times out of ten it is a handball to another player more often than under similar pressure to the guy with the footy in the first place.

                            Very generally, we need to clear the ball quicker from the stoppage and not worry about that 4th or 5th handball. I believe this is a result of our very effective high handball running game which works wonderfully out of defence but not so good close in.

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                            • dendol
                              fat-arsed midfielder
                              • Oct 2003
                              • 1483

                              #15
                              Originally posted by floppinab
                              Nup that's not it
                              umm. how is it done then? if a smallish player who has good skills below his knees and a great handball cant be relied on to get the bulk of our clearances, who will? Care to elaborate?

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